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Old 11-18-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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I'm a little curious what crimes were committed in the name of Christianity.

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You seem to not understand that things done by Christians or in relation to Christianity is done in the shadows rather than in the open. One simply has to look primarily at the Germans, the British and the French in relation to Africa and the Middle East over the past 100+ years to know they did more damage to the regions then Muslims ever did. The British and the French are so good at what they do, that they are able to divert all memory of their past atrocities onto Americans. Who colonized most of these regions and brought European Christianity into the regions? Not Americans. But who gets all the blame? Americans.

Personally I trust a Muslim over a Christian any day of the year and as I've stated earlier I'm a Mizrahi Jew who lives and works in the Middle East (UAE, not Israel) for about half a year (every year) and have never had a problem. Yet when I've been in Europe, I've had my share of anti-Jewish remarks.
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Old 11-18-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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You don't seem to understand how Christianity works.

You are speaking of events, some comitted by Christians, none comitted by the writings of the religion.

You are speaking of mercenary conquests, there is nothing in the Christian religion that orders that.

You are speaking of events when few could even read, but were following their leaders.

Hugely different than islam where the religion calls the shots.
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Old 11-18-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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To live under oppression goes against human nature---does not matter who is the oppressor, Taliban, ISIS, West,....it will create unrest in society. To create peace one must have a society that promotes Equality (of all humanity), Justice (with compassion and mercy) and Liberty (with responsibility).
That's the perception moderate Muslims want the world to see, but in reality Islam is highly conservative and is very strict as one gets closer to Mecca.
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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You don't seem to understand how Christianity works.

You are speaking of events, some comitted by Christians, none comitted by the writings of the religion.

You are speaking of mercenary conquests, there is nothing in the Christian religion that orders that.

You are speaking of events when few could even read, but were following their leaders.

Hugely different than islam where the religion calls the shots.

If you could take and rip the Old Testament away from the new, then maybe you could make a claim that no such violence existed in the writings.

Try as you may, you cannot have the New Testament without the old.

If you don't speak by the law and the prophets, one should not speak at all.



But if the writings of the New Testament has no such violence, then why has it's followers been so violent?

Why so many crusades?

People think we have arrived, unfortunately, history repeats itself.




Christianity went about killing people for keeping the commandments of God.

It didn't matter if you were a Jew or a Gentile who believed in Jesus, and there was a special kind of hate against the Gentile who would keep the Sabbaths and feast days of God, and his messiah.


Christianity ruled the whole world at one time, but their legacy is not a good one in my opinion.
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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You seem to not understand that things done by Christians or in relation to Christianity is done in the shadows rather than in the open. One simply has to look primarily at the Germans, the British and the French in relation to Africa and the Middle East over the past 100+ years to know they did more damage to the regions then Muslims ever did. The British and the French are so good at what they do, that they are able to divert all memory of their past atrocities onto Americans. Who colonized most of these regions and brought European Christianity into the regions? Not Americans. But who gets all the blame? Americans.

Personally I trust a Muslim over a Christian any day of the year and as I've stated earlier I'm a Mizrahi Jew who lives and works in the Middle East (UAE, not Israel) for about half a year (every year) and have never had a problem. Yet when I've been in Europe, I've had my share of anti-Jewish remarks.

Good points, Europe is so troubling to me that I don't even want to begin.
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Old 11-19-2014, 01:21 AM
 
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If you could take and rip the Old Testament away from the new, then maybe you could make a claim that no such violence existed in the writings.

Try as you may, you cannot have the New Testament without the old.

If you don't speak by the law and the prophets, one should not speak at all.



But if the writings of the New Testament has no such violence, then why has it's followers been so violent?

Why so many crusades?

People think we have arrived, unfortunately, history repeats itself.




Christianity went about killing people for keeping the commandments of God.

It didn't matter if you were a Jew or a Gentile who believed in Jesus, and there was a special kind of hate against the Gentile who would keep the Sabbaths and feast days of God, and his messiah.


Christianity ruled the whole world at one time, but their legacy is not a good one in my opinion.
The OT and NT represent 2 different religions, The new covenant overrules the Old, and the only laws of the prophets confirmed are the ten comandments, not the over 600 laws of the torah.
These are not part of Christianity.
The OT is a history book to Christians.

Whenever people conquer others one of the main things they bring with is their religion.

The crusades were I response to Islamic aggression.

And no, most religions left a trail of blood in their path, Christianity is no exception.

However the violence commited by Christians, is not in the writings of the religion.

The violence in Islam is in the writings of the religion.
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Old 11-19-2014, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Meh, changed my mind and deleted..
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Can't happen

You have to re-write the religion.

thats what christians and jews practically did. muslims will have to do it as well if they want people to respect them.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Canada
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You seem to not understand that things done by Christians or in relation to Christianity is done in the shadows rather than in the open. One simply has to look primarily at the Germans, the British and the French in relation to Africa and the Middle East over the past 100+ years to know they did more damage to the regions then Muslims ever did. The British and the French are so good at what they do, that they are able to divert all memory of their past atrocities onto Americans. Who colonized most of these regions and brought European Christianity into the regions? Not Americans. But who gets all the blame? Americans.

Personally I trust a Muslim over a Christian any day of the year and as I've stated earlier I'm a Mizrahi Jew who lives and works in the Middle East (UAE, not Israel) for about half a year (every year) and have never had a problem. Yet when I've been in Europe, I've had my share of anti-Jewish remarks.
mind telling us how christianity itself is related to how the british and french screwed up africa and the middle east?

the mongolians screwed up the world and it had nothing to do with religion. obviously the europeans did too. its just basic human greed and thirst for power. the japanese would have screwed us as well if we didnt stop them.


you know whats screwing up the world in the name of religion? ISIS
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:32 AM
 
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mind telling us how christianity itself is related to how the british and french screwed up africa and the middle east?

the mongolians screwed up the world and it had nothing to do with religion. obviously the europeans did too. its just basic human greed and thirst for power. the japanese would have screwed us as well if we didnt stop them.


you know whats screwing up the world in the name of religion? ISIS

ISIS, Talaban, Hamas, AlQuara etc, all get their marching orders from the same place, Islam.
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