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Old 11-04-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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In a land where virtually everyone is illiterate, save a chosen few, anything can be stated as fact, and there is nobody to challenge it.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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In a land where virtually everyone is illiterate, save a chosen few, anything can be stated as fact, and there is nobody to challenge it.
Which is true and one reason the Qur'an stresses literacy. we are all commanded to Read.

Read HERE

Illiteracy is an enemy of Islam and the despots that try to corrupt Islam often do their best to spread illiteracy.
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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The literacy rate is far higher now, then it was 1200 years ago, when these works were written.

when you consider most of the written text, Islam does not want the average muslim to read, I can see where they need to keep the people illiterate.

This was also a problem with the catholics, 500 years ago when they were on their purges into the new world.

Most was in Latin, and most people couldn't read their own language anyway.

It allowed conquests that would not be allowed today. only because now the people can read their bibles.
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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The literacy rate is far higher now, then it was 1200 years ago, when these works were written.

when you consider most of the written text, Islam does not want the average muslim to read, I can see where they need to keep the people illiterate.

This was also a problem with the catholics, 500 years ago when they were on their purges into the new world.

Most was in Latin, and most people couldn't read their own language anyway.

It allowed conquests that would not be allowed today. only because now the people can read their bibles.

True

The despots do not want people to read the Qur'an nor learn what Islam actually is.
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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We look at these writings from different perspectives.

A muslim is assigned what to believe, and what not to believe, before he even starts, and then as he goes through the text, he discards what he is told not to believe.

I look at it objectively, Believe nothing, question everything. validate sources.
Compare info from the different sources.

My type of reasoning does not sit well in religious circles.
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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We look at these writings from different perspectives.

A muslim is assigned what to believe, and what not to believe, before he even starts, and then as he goes through the text, he discards what he is told not to believe.

I look at it objectively, Believe nothing, question everything. validate sources.
Compare info from the different sources.

My type of reasoning does not sit well in religious circles.
Can't say as I never had anyone attempt to teach me about Islam. I was simply given different views and taught to search. Constantly doing my best to verify what I find.

I fianally settled into studying the 4 madhabs and putting emphasis on the one that is most applicable to life in the Western world.
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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My studies brought me to the original sources for the religion, not what was written by the different sects over the next few hundreds of years.

It seems all the trouble we have with muslims worldwide today, use the same sources as I do.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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Excelent response for the confusion, and contradiction, of Islamic text.

Keep in mind, the Shia event was about 60 years after muhammed, but was not written down for 125 years.

The sunni doc's, are 300 years too late to be considered for accuracy.
Thank you for the info. Good day
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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My studies brought me to the original sources for the religion, not what was written by the different sects over the next few hundreds of years.

It seems all the trouble we have with muslims worldwide today, use the same sources as I do.
I will agree the trouble makers are interpreting them the same way you do.

That is their own choice and they are responsible for their own actions.

I and probably many others read the very same things and arrive at very different conclusions.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:17 PM
 
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It's not a question of interpretation, as some is written very plainly.
If a person uses just the Qur'an, the directions can go many different ways.

It is a choice of which writings you follow.
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