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Old 10-26-2014, 12:16 AM
 
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Suicide is very ,uch frowned upon by most Muslims. Even if they are suicide Bombers. All Muslims I know believe a suicide bomber is doomed to eternal Hellfire.

No, that is not correct.

Suicide is wrong in Islam, unless it is done in Jihad.
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Old 10-26-2014, 12:20 AM
 
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To be fair, the OT calls for parents to kill their recalcitrant children by stoning. Not much difference, is there?
Hardly fair, the OT is Jewish, a thousand years earlier, and understandably outdated.
Even the Jews themselves realize this.

When was the last Jewish honor killing.
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Old 10-26-2014, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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This is like saying a School play about Good Friday teaches Christian Children how to Crucify people or that a play about Massada Teaches Jewish Children how to commit suicide.

It should also be noted that this event depicted in the play is an event of very deep Religious significance to folloers of Jafa'ari Shi'ism and is not part of the tradition of any other group that uses the Name of Muslim.

How does visually comparing teaching to elementary age children crucification done by Romans and committing suicide by Jews who who rather die free than live as a slave by Romans compare to Muslims showing mock beheadings to other people? Telling the story is one thing. Showing the story is another. There is no comparison.
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Old 10-26-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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That finally sunk in.

It does verify that anything that can be construed negative about Muslims does get media attention while anything positive is seldom publicized. Use the news that supports the stereotypes is the name of the media game.

Even if the news involves an Obscure Sect that is a very small minority.of the world's Muslims.
As Muslims get further away from the home of Islam, the more they become moderate in their thinking and thus aligning their religious views with the current world. But as the fundamentalists start mixing in their views start mixing in with the moderate views change starts slowly. This is how cults start. They start a little at time. As to the media, it depends on the part of the world. American/Canadian media tends to blow things out of proportion and turn things into worst case scenarios. And since a large majority of those here on CD are from the the US/Canada their media tends to sensationalize it for a few days and then forgets about it because most don't deal with in their daily lives. Compare this to South Americans, Africans and Middle Easterners who do. And to Europeans who are seeing a growth of this coming to their shores. It depends on who the audience is.
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Old 10-26-2014, 04:35 AM
 
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Neither have mine. Nor have the children of any of my friends. Do the Children of any of your Muslim friends play it?
Outside of the Middle East, most are not going to play this. But to be fair; How many kids play Cowboys & Indians? or Army Soldiers?

As to playing suicide bomber, this was learned from the Palestinians. But outside of that region Muslims to it to other Muslims most often rather than doing it to those of other religions.
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Hardly fair, the OT is Jewish, a thousand years earlier, and understandably outdated.
Even the Jews themselves realize this.

When was the last Jewish honor killing.
Probably soon

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Bat Yam rally: Death to Jewish women who date Arabs

200 people demonstrate in city center against 'Arabs who are taking our daughters'; leftists wave signs reading 'Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies'

Some 200 people held a demonstration in central Bat Yam Monday evening against relationships between local Jewish women and Arab men.
One of the protestors called out, "Any Jewish woman who goes with an Arab should be killed; any Jew who sells his home to an Arab should be killed."

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In 2006 a Catholic Italian man shot his sister to death for having a

child out of wedlock. Up until 1991, men in Brazil could be absolved

of killing their wives over honor. In Yemen, a Jewish father killed

his daughter after a rabbi complained that she had a child from an

affair.
And a Christian father beat his daughter to death in 2005 in

Palestine because she wanted to marry a Muslim. Last year in Bashika,

Mosul, a 17-year-old woman, a member of the Yezidi religion was stoned

to death for having an Arab Muslim boyfriend.
SOURCE

"Honor Killings" are not the teaching of any Abrahamic religion.
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:37 AM
 
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Muslims commit 91 % of the honor killings worldwide, this leaves 9% for you to use as examples of how everybody does it.
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Old 10-26-2014, 06:14 AM
 
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(1)Probably soon

(2)
SOURCE


(3)SOURCE

(4)"Honor Killings" are not the teaching of any Abrahamic religion.

(1) As a religious practice, highly unlikely anytime soon.

(2) Using a four year old article to generalize about all Jews in a town where those Jews were not from by a group of ultra right Jews (reason why Kach party was outlawed as racist) is grasping at straws. People who were from that town did the following as per the same article:

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A short distance away, about 200 leftists and Arab residents of Bat Yam held a counter protest. They waved signs reading, "We're fed up with racists" and "Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies".
(3) The writer of your link is based in Saudi Arabia, so its pretty well known how it's going to lean. The "last year" statement that you quoted was actually in 2007.
Stoning of Du'a Khalil Aswad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(4)It may not be the teachings, but it is the most common among the followers of Islam and those who do it in Islamic countries seldom get prosecuted for the murder.
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Old 10-26-2014, 06:21 AM
 
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Muslims commit 91 % of the honor killings worldwide, this leaves 9% for you to use as examples of how everybody does it.
And nearly all of them are done by people of Punjab heritage form Pakistan and India. Not all of which are Muslim but include Sikh and Hindus that also commit this horrible practice.

Perhaps it is more correct to say the people of Punjab Heritage have the highest rate of honor killings.

Oddly though the Honor killings by Punjabs living on the India side of the border do not get called honor killings. They get labelled "Dowery disputes"

Sort of like in much of the world the label "Honor Killings" has been replaced with the label of "Domestic Violence"

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But while honor killings have elicited considerable attention and outrage, human rights activists argue that they
should be regarded as part of a much larger problem of violence against women.
In India, for example, more than 5,000 brides die annually because their dowries are considered insufficient,
according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF). Crimes of passion, which are treated extremely leniently
in Latin America, are the same thing with a different name, some rights advocates say.
"In countries where Islam is practiced, they're called honor killings, but dowry deaths and so-called crimes of
passion have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived
as excusable or understandable," said Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.
The practice, she said, "goes across cultures and across religions."
Complicity by other women in the family and the community strengthens the concept of women as property and the
perception that violence against family members is a family and not a judicial issue.
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Old 10-26-2014, 07:58 AM
 
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And nearly all of them are done by people of Punjab heritage form Pakistan and India. Not all of which are Muslim but include Sikh and Hindus that also commit this horrible practice.

Perhaps it is more correct to say the people of Punjab Heritage have the highest rate of honor killings.

Oddly though the Honor killings by Punjabs living on the India side of the border do not get called honor killings. They get labelled "Dowery disputes"

Sort of like in much of the world the label "Honor Killings" has been replaced with the label of "Domestic Violence"



SOURCE
Woodrow.

Shih and hindu, are not muslim, and are the main contenders in the remaining 9%.

Shall I post some links.
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