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Old 10-26-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Here are a few links on honor killing.

This is something I am personally involved with in the Seattle area.


Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings :: Middle East Quarterly

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Old 10-26-2014, 08:09 AM
 
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And domestic violence, and honor killing, are two completely different things.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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Here are a few links on honor killing.

This is something I am personally involved with in the Seattle area.


Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings :: Middle East Quarterly

Family Security Matters
I agree that 91% of the World's honor killings are in Pakistan or by people of Pakistan heritage.

From your link

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It is very important for readers to know that 91% of honor killings are committed by our so-called friends in Pakistan.
It is also very important for the readers to know that. Think about it carefully. Virtually every Honor killing is done by a Pakistani.

Very few non-Pakistanis commit "Honor Killings" Let that sink in as it is verification that "Honor Killings" are either rare or non-Existent in the other 48 Islamic Nations.

You have just shown Honor Killings are the result of local culture, not because of Islam.



A few things the link "forgot" to mention.

Most of those killings occur in the Punjab region or by people from that region. But over 60% of Pakistanis are from the Punjab region and are Punjab

Not all Pakistani are Muslim

Honor killings among the Punjabi occur at a high rate not just among Muslims but also among Sikh and Hindu Punjabi in India


In your second link, the girls being stoned in Iraq was not Muslim.

The rest of the story

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The moment a teenage girl was stoned to death for loving the wrong boy

Last updated at 18:28 03 May 2007

A 17-year-old girl has been stoned to death in Iraq because she loved a teenage boy of the wrong religion.

As a horrifying video of the stoning went out on the Internet, the British arm of Amnesty International condemned the death of Dua Khalil Aswad as "an abhorrent murder" and demanded that her killers be brought to justice.

Reports from Iraq said a local security force witnessed the incident, but did nothing to try to stop it. Now her boyfriend is in hiding in fear for his life.



Miss Aswad, a member of a minority Kurdish religious group called Yezidi, was condemned to death as an "honour killing" by other men in her family and hardline religious leaders because of her relationship with the Sunni Muslim boy.

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Old 10-26-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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No Woodrow.

Here is a link, one of many, this figure is a fact, and you cannot sidestep it, face it.

Muslims commit 91% of all honor killings worldwide | The Muslim Issue
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Old 10-26-2014, 10:33 AM
 
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And blaming a culture is a poor excuse.

It is the religion that defines the culture, and every other aspect of life.
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Old 10-26-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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Honor killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-26-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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No Woodrow.

Here is a link, one of many, this figure is a fact, and you cannot sidestep it, face it.

Muslims commit 91% of all honor killings worldwide | The Muslim Issue
Not disagreeing with it. It pretty much varifies the other link. Yes 91% of the honor Killings are by Muslims and the vast majority occur in Pakistan. With a small part occuring outside Pakistan, but often by people from Pakistan.


Reading the 2 links you provided the conclusion is nearly all honor killings are by Muslims from Pakistan. The common thread being the Punjab region of Pakistan and a Punjabi heritage not because they are Muslim. although the second article is trying to show it is because they are Muslim. While today most Punjabi are Muslim, they still retain a very close tie with the Ancient Punjabi culture.

The question that needs to be asked and answered is "Why is there no epidemic of honor killings in all Islamic Nations and not just in Pakistan or by people of Pakistan Heritage?"

For that one needs to look deeply into the customs of the Punjabi.

A few places to Start:

HERE


HERE

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Old 10-26-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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There are honor killings all over, yes, even here in the states, and here we are again using the excuse I pointed out before.

Oh, that's not us, that's the Shia, or that's the whabbies, or any other group.

No, the common denominator is they are all muslims,.. and

the written text of the religion allows the parents to kill their children.
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Old 10-26-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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I deal with taking Islamic, 3rd world women, out of danger from their families, We, with the help of the government,
re-locate these women to other states, new names, new identies,
This happens in every major city in the uS, but you never hear of it.
They come from all over the muslim world. Few speak English, and Islam is all they ever knew.
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Old 10-26-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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I deal with taking Islamic, 3rd world women, out of danger from their families, We, with the help of the government,
re-locate these women to other states, new names, new identies,
This happens in every major city in the uS, but you never hear of it.
They come from all over the muslim world. Few speak English, and Islam is all they ever knew.
You do know that nearly every Muslim Immigrant in the Seattle,Tacoma, Vancouver area is from Pakistan.

While "Honor Killings" have occurred and continue to occur in nearly every Culture it has been the Strongest and most difficult to eliminate in the Punjab and Pashtun Cultures.

The Punjab Culture is one of the 3 oldest cultures on earth and it's influence has been much stronger than any religion they have followed.

The 2 links you have provided do verify that. I believe if you look closely you will find that the majority of Honor killings are among the Punjabi in Pakistan and second largest by Punjabi in India. While most Punjabi live in Pakistan and are Muslim the second largest group are in India and there are Sikh or Hindu.

Some examples HERE HERE

The third largest group guilty of honor killings are among the Kurd of Iraq and Turkey who are predominately Yezidi in their religious following. The video of the Yezidi girl being stoned is typical. the Yezidi commonly commit "Honor Killings" by stoning. HERE

In Palestine and Israel honor killings are most often done by members of the Druze Faith HERE While the Druze are usually Arab and often call themself Muslim the Druze religion is a very different belief system See DRUZE

If you are trying to show their is a link between Islam and "Honor Killings" you will have to find it to be prevalent in other Islamic Nations besides Pakistan.

How many recent Honor Killings have occurred in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim Nation?

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In Indonesia, generally believed to be the country with the largest Muslim population, honour killings are unknown, as is the case in parts of West Africa with majority-Muslim populations and in many other Islamic countries such as Bangladesh. According to Sheikh Atiyyah Saqr, former head of the al-Azhar University Fatwa Committee:

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