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Old 10-29-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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Sahih Bukhari,
Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

 
Old 10-29-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Keep in mind, Christians are not blameless here, granted, they did take the older Jewish text and raise it a few notches, but still we are still dealing with a 2000 year old text, when the world was a lot different.

For the most part Christians and Jews have evolved into the 21st century and realize much of the text is superstitious BS,

Muslims, however are not allowed out of the 10th century, and ordered to believe this text actually came from God, and that's the way it is.

Most are illiterate, or poorly educated, and dependant on the religion, and their leaders to tell them what to do.
The women are pulled out of school as children, and married off.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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Women are basically non-people, with little of no rights, and many passages in the doctrine go into detail of how they are worthless, totally dependant on their husbands.
There voice is not heard in the legal system, they cannot walk the streets alone, have to remain covered up.

It is the religious doctrine that sets the rules, and the imagination of the men, just how far they can go to enforce God'a will.
I think Mohammed got the idea from reading Paul.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 01:20 PM
 
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I think Mohammed got the idea from reading Paul.
Islam was plagerized from Judism, Christianity, zoestranism, and Greek medical, that is where many of the ideas came from, however everything was altered to fit whatever needs the writers of Islam wanted.

To put it to Muhammed himself, is stretching it a little.

There s no proof Muhammed, as a person existed at all, and what we have are writings that developed in the 300 years following him.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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Islam was plagerized from Judism, Christianity, zoestranism, and Greek medical, that is where many of the ideas came from, however everything was altered to fit whatever needs the writers of Islam wanted.

To put it to Muhammed himself, is stretching it a little.

There s no proof Muhammed, as a person existed at all, and what we have are writings that developed in the 300 years following him.
Your wrong. Mohammed is as real as Paul. More real than Jesus, Moses, Adam or Steve... er, I mean that other homosexuals in the bible, David and Johnathon.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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Your wrong. Mohammed is as real as Paul. More real than Jesus, Moses, Adam or Steve... er, I mean that other homosexuals in the bible, David and Johnathon.
In your mind he very well could be, in historical/anthropological information, there is more evidence to prove he did not exist. and none to prove he did.

Most scholars agree he is a composite character.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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In your mind he very well could be, in historical/anthropological information, there is more evidence to prove he did not exist. and none to prove he did.

Most scholars agree he is a composite character.
Horsepucky.

Mohammed is as real as Joesph Smith. They were both delusional as all get out, but both were real people who established major religions.

Tell us about the "most scholars agree" bit. Perhaps you can change some minds. But they better be scholars, peer reviewed, and published, not opinion pieces or non-academic books.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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Horsepucky.

Mohammed is as real as Joesph Smith. They were both delusional as all get out, but both were real people who established major religions.

Tell us about the "most scholars agree" bit. Perhaps you can change some minds. But they better be scholars, peer reviewed, and published, not opinion pieces or non-academic books.
Joseph was real, that's about as far as we can go, but I will let you answer your own statement.

Provide something to prove muhammed did exist,

And BTW, even the earliest writings, 60 years later, speak of him as the "mahood", a title and not a proper name, A title shared by Mary, Joseph, Jesus, and Malick, the 5th Calief.

These writings are not even from Islam itself, but rather the people attacked. Mostly Christians.
And there is no mention of Muhammed, the Qur'an, muslims, or Islam, just " The godless pagans".

Perhaps you can show me something, that Islam themselves does not have, something I am sure they would pay you a lot of money for.
 
Old 10-29-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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As a Canadian, the last few days of Islamic terrorism actions strike home. Targeted, religiously motivated terrorism. In my country.

And once again, the denunciation from Muslim leaders is deafening in their silence. This is a pattern that occurs so frequently that it is absolutely madding to those of us who want to believe that the greater majority of Muslims are opposed to these incidences, but all one hears is crickets......
Canadian Muslim groups denounce violence, brace for backlash following Ottawa shooting | canada.com
 
Old 10-29-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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Hmm, a group in a free country, makes their opinion only because they can get away with it.

What do you think would happen if they did this in an Islamic country
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