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Old 10-31-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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And btw, Islam is cursed with one verse in the Qur'an, that can be taken as a command.

You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow.( Qur'an.)

That is from Surah 33 ayyat 21

Please tell ne where a person goes to learn this pattern of conduct you are supposed to follow.
As I have said many times, very few if any ayyat are stand alone statements.

Surah 33 was revealed at the "Battle of Ahud" after the Muslims faced a defeat and it looked like Islam had come to an end. To understand the Surah it is important to know who, when and why it was revealed and all 73 Ayyats of the Surah are inter related. The entire Surah should be read as a whole, singular thought.

But a few lines might give you an understanding of the ayyat. Using the Translation of Asad


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33:19 (Asad) begrudging you all help. But then, when danger threatens, thou canst see them looking to thee [for help, O Prophet], their eyes rolling [in terror] like [the eyes of] one who is overshadowed by death: yet as soon as the danger has passed, they will assail you [believers] with sharp tongues, begrudging you all that is good! [People like] these have never known faith - and therefore God will cause all their works to come to nought: for this is indeed easy for God.

33:20 (Asad) They think that the Confederates have not [really] withdrawn; [22] and should the Confederates return, these [hypocrites] would prefer to be in the desert, among the bedouin, asking for news about you, [O believers, from far away;] and even were they to find themselves in your midst, they would but make a pretence at fighting [by your side]. [23]

33:21 (Asad) VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. [24]

33:22 (Asad) And [so,] when the believers saw the Con*federates [advancing against them], they said, “This is what God and His Apostle have promised us!”- and, “Truly spoke God and His Apostle !“ [25] and all this but increased their faith and their readiness to surrender themselves unto God.

33:23 (Asad) Among the believers are men who have [always] been true to what they have vowed before God; [26] and among them are such as have [already] redeemed their pledge by death, and such as yet await [its fulfillment] without having changed [their resolve] in the least.
Now remember this was revealed at one time and all 73 lines recited. No line numbers, no pauses this is what the Listeners would have heard Muhammad(saws) saying (In Arabic)


begrudging you all help. But then, when danger threatens, thou canst see them looking to thee , their eyes rolling like one who is overshadowed by death: yet as soon as the danger has passed, they will assail you with sharp tongues, begrudging you all that is good! these have never known faith - and therefore God will cause all their works to come to nought: for this is indeed easy for God. They think that the Confederates have not withdrawn; and should the Confederates return, these would prefer to be in the desert, among the bedouin, asking for news about you, and even were they to find themselves in your midst, they would but make a pretence at fighting VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly. And when the believers saw the Con*federates , they said, “This is what God and His Apostle have promised us!”- and, “Truly spoke God and His Apostle !“ and all this but increased their faith and their readiness to surrender themselves unto God. Among the believers are men who have been true to what they have vowed before God; and among them are such as have redeemed their pledge by death, and such as yet await without having changed in the least.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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We may not be speaking about other religions, however, what you said above applies to the Christian ones as well as the Muslim sects. Same arguments, same reactions, until, sometime in the 1800's, Christians finally 'grew up'. There are some fundamentalist christians who would love to revert to the old ways.
That's probably going a little to far, The overwhelming number of other Christians would not allow it.
And, old ways Christian, is not the same as old ways Jewish, but hey, they were all animals back then.

But we are in the 21st century now, some of us.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Here is some of todays headlines for the people who misunderstand Islam.

Boko Haram top dog says abducted girls married off after conversion to Islam

“And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses.” (Qur’an 4:3) “Abducted schoolgirls married off after conversion to Islam, […]




UK: Child Sex Exploitation Now the ‘Norm’

Britain continues its descent into madness. My latest in FrontPage: The UK’s Guardian reported Wednesday that “sexual exploitation of vulnerable children has become the social norm in some parts of Greater Manchester,” and the denial and obfuscation about what is really causing this problem is thicker than ever. In the very same sentence in which it broke […]




One in seven young “Britons” has “warm feelings” for the Islamic State

These young “Britons,” if they have “warm feelings” toward the Islamic State, don’t have any allegiance to the British state, and are likely in the future to try to make Britain over to be more like the Islamic State. They may not have to work very hard at that, however — the current British government […]




Islamic State murders 228 of its foes in two days

“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth to cause corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace […]




Spain’s security chief: Islamic State wants to use Ebola as jihad weapon

Why wouldn’t they want to do this? After all, they love death. Islamic supremacists frequently affirm how much they love death. Austrian Muslim teenage girls who recently traveled to Syria for jihad announced: “Death is our goal.” Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau said: “I’m even longing for death, you vagabond.” A Muslim child preacher recently […]




New UK law would ban critics of Sharia from broadcasting, protesting or even posting messages on Facebook

The last free person in Britain, if there is one, might as well turn out the lights. If this becomes law, Britain is finished as a free society. As the law would also forbid opposition to gay marriage, it would be interesting to see what would happen if a proponent of Sharia protested against gay […]




Islamic State: Children as young as five trained to fight and kill, repeat calls for murder of Western “infidels”

Imagine what these boys will be like when they hit their twenties. “Islamic State ‘terror schools': Children as young as FIVE trained to fight and kill,” by Rebecca Perring, Express, October 30, 2014: Sickening images show youngsters brandishing semi-automatic assault rifles, tackling assault courses and posing next to IS’s black flag as they learn how […]




Hizballah jihadist arrested with weapons and explosives right before launching attack on Israeli and Jewish targets…in Peru

“If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide.” — Hizballah top dog Hassan Nasrallah Sometimes, apparently, Nasrallah believes it is worth the trouble to go after them worldwide. Hizballah is “the most dynamic political and social organization in Lebanon.” — Reza Aslan “Peru Foils Hezbollah […]




1,000 Muslims streaming into Syria every month to join the Islamic State

They’re coming from Europe, the U.S., and all over — with Tunisia leading the world in the number of jihadists it has sent to the Islamic State. “U.S. officials have attributed the flows to a range of factors, including the sophisticated recruiting campaigns orchestrated by groups in Syria such as the Islamic State and the […]




Jordan bans Halloween after Muslim Brotherhood condemns it as “homosexual and Satanic”

“Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. […]
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Old 11-01-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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As for Boko Haram, Islamic State and Hizbullah have you noticed many perhaps most Muslims also oppose them.

HERE

HERE

The next is a Shi'ite condemnation of Hizbullah (Which is a Shi'ite group)

HERE
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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Oppose them yes, do something about it, no.

These people are doing the exact same thing muhammed did, following his pattern of conduct.

All muslim groups oppose others, but they are sidestepping the reason why.
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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Here is a typical article about it, and these are all over, but suppressed by the media.
Muslims have got to face their demons publicly.
Constant lying is not the answer.


JERUSALEM, Israel -- U.S. and Arab warplanes continue to hit Islamic State targets in Syria Friday, targeting the stronghold of Raqaa.
The coalition is also drying up the terror group's money supply by bombing oil refineries that generate millions of dollars a day.
Meanwhile, the debate over President Barack Obama's strategy to take down ISIS continues, with some even questioning the way he views the terror group.

When he announced his plan to defeat ISIS earlier this month, he made it a point to declare the Islamic State is not Islamic.
"Now let's make two things clear. ISIL is not 'Islamic.' No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim," Obama noted in his Sept. 10 speech.

It may not be the Islam the president wants, but some former Muslims say the religion and practices embraced by the Islamic State come straight from the Koran.
"They are following Islam's Prophet Muhammad's in every detail. They imitate him by growing their beards, shaving their mustaches and in the way they dress," Brother Rachid, a former Muslim who grew up in Morocco, said.

Rachid, who hosts the television show "Daring Questions," gave the following response to Obama's claim.
"I can speak with confidence that ISIL speaks for Islam," he said. "Allow me to correct you Mr. President. ISIL is a Muslim organization. Its name stands for Islamic State so even the name suggests that it is an Islamic movement."
"Their leader, Abu Bakr Al Bagdadi, holds a Ph.D. in Islamic studies," he noted. "I doubt you know Islam better than he does."
"You think that ISIL does not speak for Islam because they beheaded an American and they killed whom those they consider infidels," Rachid continued. "In the same way Islam's Prophet Mohammad beheaded in one day between 600 and 900 adult males in a Jewish tribe."
"In fact, beheading is commanded in the Koran in Sura 47, the 4th verse. It says when you meet the unbelievers and fight; smite at their necks," he quoted the Koran.
And former Muslim Nonie Darwish says it all leads toward the ultimate goal stated in the Koran.
"This idea that what ISIS is doing is un-Islamic is not true at all. It's pure Islamic," she told CBN News. "The goals of the Islamic State is to empower itself to control the whole of the Middle East and expand to achieve the goals of Islam of converting the whole world into one Islamic state forcing Islam on the rest of the world."
Rachid adds that just because these radicals kill other Muslims, it does not make them un-Islamic.
"You might ask why does ISIL kill other Muslims. The answer is that they consider them infidels, not Muslims," he explained.
Both Rachid and Darwish warn that political correctness masks the true danger of ISIS and puts the whole world at risk.
"Our children in the next 20 years might be fighting door-to-door in America with ISIS on the streets of America," Darwish warned. "People have to wake up because the essence of our Judeo-Christian values and our way of life is at stake."
"And it's not just Israel," she added. "It's not Israel. Israel is just the front line. This is all of the Western civilization, and we are getting into a very dark period of history."
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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Here is a typical article about it, and these are all over, but suppressed by the media.
Muslims have got to face their demons publicly.
Constant lying is not the answer.


JERUSALEM, Israel -- U.S. and Arab warplanes continue to hit Islamic State targets in Syria Friday, targeting the stronghold of Raqaa.
The coalition is also drying up the terror group's money supply by bombing oil refineries that generate millions of dollars a day.
Meanwhile, the debate over President Barack Obama's strategy to take down ISIS continues, with some even questioning the way he views the terror group.

When he announced his plan to defeat ISIS earlier this month, he made it a point to declare the Islamic State is not Islamic.
"Now let's make two things clear. ISIL is not 'Islamic.' No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim," Obama noted in his Sept. 10 speech.

It may not be the Islam the president wants, but some former Muslims say the religion and practices embraced by the Islamic State come straight from the Koran.
"They are following Islam's Prophet Muhammad's in every detail. They imitate him by growing their beards, shaving their mustaches and in the way they dress," Brother Rachid, a former Muslim who grew up in Morocco, said.

Rachid, who hosts the television show "Daring Questions," gave the following response to Obama's claim.
"I can speak with confidence that ISIL speaks for Islam," he said. "Allow me to correct you Mr. President. ISIL is a Muslim organization. Its name stands for Islamic State so even the name suggests that it is an Islamic movement."
"Their leader, Abu Bakr Al Bagdadi, holds a Ph.D. in Islamic studies," he noted. "I doubt you know Islam better than he does."
"You think that ISIL does not speak for Islam because they beheaded an American and they killed whom those they consider infidels," Rachid continued. "In the same way Islam's Prophet Mohammad beheaded in one day between 600 and 900 adult males in a Jewish tribe."
"In fact, beheading is commanded in the Koran in Sura 47, the 4th verse. It says when you meet the unbelievers and fight; smite at their necks," he quoted the Koran.
And former Muslim Nonie Darwish says it all leads toward the ultimate goal stated in the Koran.
"This idea that what ISIS is doing is un-Islamic is not true at all. It's pure Islamic," she told CBN News. "The goals of the Islamic State is to empower itself to control the whole of the Middle East and expand to achieve the goals of Islam of converting the whole world into one Islamic state forcing Islam on the rest of the world."
Rachid adds that just because these radicals kill other Muslims, it does not make them un-Islamic.
"You might ask why does ISIL kill other Muslims. The answer is that they consider them infidels, not Muslims," he explained.
Both Rachid and Darwish warn that political correctness masks the true danger of ISIS and puts the whole world at risk.
"Our children in the next 20 years might be fighting door-to-door in America with ISIS on the streets of America," Darwish warned. "People have to wake up because the essence of our Judeo-Christian values and our way of life is at stake."
"And it's not just Israel," she added. "It's not Israel. Israel is just the front line. This is all of the Western civilization, and we are getting into a very dark period of history."
Looking at your post. In particular this paragraph.


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It may not be the Islam the president wants, but some former Muslims say the religion and practices embraced by the Islamic State come straight from the Koran.
"They are following Islam's Prophet Muhammad's in every detail. They imitate him by growing their beards, shaving their mustaches and in the way they dress," Brother Rachid, a former Muslim who grew up in Morocco, said.

Rachid, who hosts the television show "Daring Questions," gave the following response to Obama's claim.
"I can speak with confidence that ISIL speaks for Islam," he said. "Allow me to correct you Mr. President. ISIL is a Muslim organization. Its name stands for Islamic State so even the name suggests that it is an Islamic movement."
Brother Rachid, may or may not be as he says.

He seems to be a touch Biased

HERE


A personal thing with me. I do not trust Evangelicals.

However, I wonder how many people notice that Brother Rachid is living proof that an Apostate in an Islamic nation is not automatically jailed and sentenced to death.

From his "Biography"

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A careful self-study of the differences between Islam and Christianity led him to take correspondence courses for 4 years. This, in turn, led him to give his life to Jesus Christ in 1990.
SOURCE

Notice he had no trouble studying Christianity via Correspondence courses while living in Morocco.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:41 PM
 
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Looking at your post. In particular this paragraph.




Brother Rachid, may or may not be as he says.

He seems to be a touch Biased

HERE


A personal thing with me. I do not trust Evangelicals.

However, I wonder how many people notice that Brother Rachid is living proof that an Apostate in an Islamic nation is not automatically jailed and sentenced to death.

From his "Biography"



SOURCE

Notice he had no trouble studying Christianity via Correspondence courses while living in Morocco.

I see nothing biased about anything he says, maybe you could point it out.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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I don't think he just walks the streets at night.


In 2005, he began hosting his own television program on Al hayat TV comparing the virtues of Christianity over Islam including 55 taped episodes of Unveiling the Mask and 300 live episodes of Daring Questions (which allows Muslims to call in and ask questions about Christianity and also features testimonies from former Muslims who have converted to Christianity.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]3[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] The channel is controversial in the Islamic world and is banned in several Muslim countries and a bounty has been placed on many of its personalities and management.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]1[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] Rachid does not reveal his last name. His programs have been credited with assisting in the conversion of over 150,000 former Muslims to Christianity in Morocco.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]4[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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I see nothing biased about anything he says, maybe you could point it out.
I could be wrong, but I think he is pro-Christian.

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Since 2005, Rachid has hosted television shows that compare Christianity and Islam, including 55 taped episodes of Unveiling the Mask and nearly 300 live episodes of Daring Questions. Rachid’s deep knowledge of both faiths enables him to boldly challenge false beliefs with wisdom, love and respect. Daring Questions features dynamic testimonies of Muslim-background believers and gives followers of Islam the opportunity to ask questions about the Christian message through lively on-air phone calls. The program also exposes the plight of oppressed Christians in Muslim countries, refutes misconceptions about Christianity, which are often perpetuated by major media outlets in the Middle East, and fearlessly tackles other controversial topics. Christian converts share their testimonies on the 90-minute show each week, and thousands of viewers have called the program’s live prayer line or visited its websites – many to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.
When one has a favored opinion bias is a natural result. He is going to be pro-Christian Just as I am going to be pro-Islam.

His now being a Christian and a former Muslim is going to flavor his attitude about Islam. Just as my being a former Christian and now a Muslim will flavor my views about Christianity.

I do admit I favor Islam over Christianity. That is bias. If Bro. Rachid is honest he will admit he favors Christianity over Islam and that is bias,
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