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Old 11-07-2014, 05:32 AM
 
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I posted an article about how the muslim terror and demands progress when they increase in polulation.

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when Muslims populate a country.
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Old 11-07-2014, 08:04 AM
 
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While we will always see preference towards ethnic groups change with the tide, the big difference with muslims is religion, and not ethnics.

People mistakenly call Muslims a race, which it is not.

Muslims consist of every ethnic on earth, but the lean will not be to their particular race, but rather their religion, which crosses all lines.

Islam is a political ideology more than a religion, and the rules and laws, just do not mesh with American laws, in many cases directly oppose them, and we will see the enforcement of these laws, as the enforcers themselves become representatives of the new law, change drastically.
Islam is an action. Not a specific ideology. It is the act of submitting to God(swt) in all facets of life. Muslims are on an eternal quest to seek the the ways to submit. For many such as myself the means to submit is to follow the Qur'an and Sunnah to the best it can be done in the current times and places.

Life is all about choices. We are responsible for the choices we make in life.

To live Sunnah is to try to make the same choices Muhammad(saws) would make when faced with the same options.
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Old 11-07-2014, 09:15 AM
 
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Something I have noticed, and am in agreement with others is the "submitting to God" aspect.

Islam is about submission, that is correct, but the submission is to the leaders,

Muhammed himself, at least it is attributed to him, gave the orders to submit to your leader, obey him unquestionably, as though you were speaking to muhammed himself.
BTW, these orders were written long after muhammed was dead.

These orders provide for the control of the people, and orders from God to obey.

We know messages from God, in Islam are intentionally misleading, and in many cases proven false.

Islam has developed a concept of God, you are ordered to obey, and this concept for some mysterious reason is exactly what the leaders want and enforce.
How do you think the leaders can justify living in scandalous wealth, while the poor suffer

We don't make the rules, God does, We just enforce them.

Common sense can see right through this.

Be a good muslim, read your Qur'an, do as you are told, don't make waves, or we will kill you.
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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Something I have noticed, and am in agreement with others is the "submitting to God" aspect.

Islam is about submission, that is correct, but the submission is to the leaders,

Muhammed himself, at least it is attributed to him, gave the orders to submit to your leader, obey him unquestionably, as though you were speaking to muhammed himself.
BTW, these orders were written long after muhammed was dead.

These orders provide for the control of the people, and orders from God to obey.

We know messages from God, in Islam are intentionally misleading, and in many cases proven false.

Islam has developed a concept of God, you are ordered to obey, and this concept for some mysterious reason is exactly what the leaders want and enforce.
How do you think the leaders can justify living in scandalous wealth, while the poor suffer

We don't make the rules, God does, We just enforce them.

Common sense can see right through this.

Be a good muslim, read your Qur'an, do as you are told, don't make waves, or we will kill you.
We have no ordained religious leaders or ordained clergy. The vast majority of Muslims live in Nations that are very secular.

There are 2 Islamic Nations that claim to be Theocracies. KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) and Iran. The KSA is a Monarchy under the rule of the al-Saud Family no matter how much they call it a Theocracy.

Iran is the only Islamic Nation that has ordained clergy and a central religious leader, However Shi'ism and Sunni'ism are sufficiently different to call them seperate religions although both claim to do Islam.

For the vast majority of Muslims there is no central authority or means of "Enforcing" religious laws any more than US laws can enforce Christianity. But, sadly there are misguided individuals that believe they can enforce their concepts of Islam. Even sadder they often do so for their own personal gain.

For the majority of the world's Sunni the Mosque is a local project supported by the local community, the Imam or a local Islamic Group such as the Islamic Center of North Austin. They typically generate no income. World wide most Sunni Mosques have no Imam unless an individual builds a Mosque and appoints himself Imam.

In the USA there are over 2100 Mosques. But less then 700 Imams. Most of which are not paid. Only the 10 or so largest Mosques have any full time paid Imams. An Imam has very little authority except to pay the bills accrued by the Mosque and to be certain everything is kept in good condition. Even for the ones hired as full time Imams it is not a very well paid job. Usually a low salary and no fringe benefits.

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However, there is a severe shortage of full-time imams to meet the religious needs of growing worshippers.

Another problem is that there is a shortage of young American imams who can easily connect to the younger generations of US-born Muslims.

A recent survey by the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) showed that only 44 percent of American imams are salaried and full-time. The rest are volunteer religious leaders.
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A few, very few Mosques do receive a stipend from foreign Nations that may help pay a salary for an Imam. But that is usually in communities that are composed largely of immigrants from the Nation.

An example is the Islamic Cultural Center of New York that is composed mostly of immigrants from Kuwait.

Some info about the salaries of US Imams

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There’s no comprehensive survey on the salaries of Muslim clergy in America, but Islam appears to be the least remunerative of the major monotheistic religions. Imams only make around $30,000 annually and rarely receive a housing stipend. Many hold second jobs teaching in Muslim schools or as shop owners. They can earn a few thousand more if their mosque is funded by outside contributors. The Islamic Cultural Center of New York, for example, receives a large proportion of its funding from the government of Kuwait.
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Over all Sunni do not have any Hierarchy of Human leaders and if they did they would have no enforceable authority. No one can excommunicate a Muslim and no one can prevent a person from saying they are Muslim. If a person states they are Muslim, they are accepted as such. Although their methods of practice may be criticized.
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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I posted an article about how the muslim terror and demands progress when they increase in polulation.

here is a link

when Muslims populate a country.
The same can be said about any religion, Ethnic group or ideology.

Look what happened to the Native Americans as the White population grew.

I predict that in the very near future Atheism will have become vocal enough to replace Islam as the Boogey-man. Atheism is now expanding in America at a faster rate than Islam. The "Fundies"will very soon use that same chart to show the "dangers" of Atheism.

It is already beginning

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Old 11-07-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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Yes, I believe this was covered before.

Any culture that occupies will eventually overthrow the existing laws.

But there are several problems here.

The American, and western culture is allowing itself to be overrun, mostly by corrupt politicians selling out their country.
The public is constantly lied to, about the intentions of the written doctrine of the religion, and pretty much asking for what they will eventually get.

We will see Europe explode before it happens here.

Just in the last few days, after the fall of Obama, I am starting to see people speak out.

And you speak of atheism as a religion, which it is not.
Hopefully religions will be outdated within a few generations, and people can live without the fear of people bent on enforcing their religious belief's on society.
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Old 11-07-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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And Christian "Fundies" will never have power over the US.

As the people become more and more educated, they are leaving the religion faster and faster.

And even it they did strive for power, they are not doing it by killing others.
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Old 11-07-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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And Christian "Fundies" will never have power over the US.

As the people become more and more educated, they are leaving the religion faster and faster.

And even it they did strive for power, they are not doing it by killing others.
they are not doing it by killing others.!!!

There has been and continue to be misguided people calling themselves Christian that have killed in the name of Christianity and will continue to do so.

I believe you are close enough to my age to remember the KKK. They pretty much consider them self to be protectors of "True Christianity". I lived in Louisiana while the clan was still very active. Actually the KKK is still very much alive


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Join The KKK. Our children, our race, and our Nation have no future unless we unite and organize White Christian Patriots. Join The Ku Klux Klan
A message from the KKK: The media, government propagandists and their ilk (splc,adl, and all their demonic supporters ) will try their best to convince you the KKK is no longer relevant. If this were so they would not devote so much time to trying to demonize it and mischaracterize it's sublime Truths.

The True Invisible Empire Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan(KKK) are an Order of the Highest Class for White Christian Men of Intelligence and Character. The Klan concedes no authority to anyone whatsoever to govern this nation not arising out of the Constitution as intended by the founders of this nation. Pretenders to authority, usurpers, and would-be despots shall never peacefully rule us - to this we swear.
It is the duty of every Klansman to know and understand the present political situation and the unconstitutional laws that are being forced upon us.

This is a Christian organization, and none but Christians may join. Reverence for God and obedience to His commandments are the only true sources of wisdom and understanding. The foundations of America were laid by men who feared God and openly confessed the Lord Jesus Christ. They were moral and lived a life shaped by their obedience to the laws of God. The history of the Founding Fathers and of our Nation is the history of a racially pure family. The Klan seeks to preserve that history and family. We cannot hope to be successful if we are in violation of God's Word. Therefore, we obey it as our understanding declares it unto us.
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?" II Cor. 6:14

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Old 11-07-2014, 01:18 PM
 
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Bad example, the KKK is not supported by any Christian church, they actually had to make their own.
Examples like Kony are not valid.

Calling yourself Christian does not make you one.


And BTW, in all of the KKK's history I believe they killed about 5000 people for their cause.

Islam beats that every week.
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Old 11-07-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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You will always find nutcases in all religions.

The abortion clinic bomber ten years ago, who did it for a birthday present for Jesus.
But he was not supported by any church, and condemned by all.

The last KKK killing was three people in Mississippi 20 years ago.
Yes there were a couple others after that, but here again we are speaking of single digit numbers over a period of decades. And the people are prosecuted.

Islam supports, and in many cases publicly rewards the killing of others, and the numbers are over 23.ooo in ten years.

No comparison
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