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Old 11-07-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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I want to point out the "incidents" are over 23.000. most of these had many, many, victims, some 30 and 40 at a time.
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Old 11-07-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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I want to point out the "incidents" are over 23.000. most of these had many, many, victims, some 30 and 40 at a time.
Many possibly most of them being criminal acts.

There were over 1,000,000 violent crimes against people committed in the USA in 2012 alone. SOURCE

An additional 8,000,000 violent property crimes in the same year. This in a population of about 350,000,000

Would you consider that to be "Proof" the American way of life teaches violence?

Another way to look at in a 10 year period there were 23,000 acts of terrorism by 1.5 Billion Muslims. 1/5 the number of violent crimes committed by Americans in 2012 alone.

Looking at those figures one can present a good case that overall Islam reduces violence,

Who are more violent Americans or The World's Muslims?
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Old 11-07-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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Yes, I believe this was covered before.

Any culture that occupies will eventually overthrow the existing laws.

But there are several problems here.

The American, and western culture is allowing itself to be overrun, mostly by corrupt politicians selling out their country.
The public is constantly lied to, about the intentions of the written doctrine of the religion, and pretty much asking for what they will eventually get.

We will see Europe explode before it happens here.

Just in the last few days, after the fall of Obama, I am starting to see people speak out.

And you speak of atheism as a religion, which it is not.
Hopefully religions will be outdated within a few generations, and people can live without the fear of people bent on enforcing their religious belief's on society.
I was not speaking of Atheism as a religion.

My first sentence reads:

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The same can be said about any religion, Ethnic group or ideology.
Atheism is an ideology.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:17 PM
 
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I was not speaking of Atheism as a religion.

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Atheism is an ideology.
Notwithstanding atheists who make a big deal about not believing in god, at a fundamental level atheism is just the negation of superstition.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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Many possibly most of them being criminal acts.

There were over 1,000,000 violent crimes against people committed in the USA in 2012 alone. SOURCE

An additional 8,000,000 violent property crimes in the same year. This in a population of about 350,000,000

Would you consider that to be "Proof" the American way of life teaches violence?

Another way to look at in a 10 year period there were 23,000 acts of terrorism by 1.5 Billion Muslims. 1/5 the number of violent crimes committed by Americans in 2012 alone.

Looking at those figures one can present a good case that overall Islam reduces violence,

Who are more violent Americans or The World's Muslims?
Bad examples,

There are no statistics of crime in muslim countries, and many, many, crimes here are not considered crimes in Islamic countries.

Perfect examples are to look at crime state in smaller countries that bring in muslim immigrants, they hit the roof, with sex crimes on top.

Look at Sweden, the rape capital of Europe, with almost 100% being committed by muslims.

Look at the jails in European countries, and the muslim population there, it is disproportionate beyond belief.
Look at the jail muslim population in the UK.

All factual info says, muslims commit more crimes, it cannot be avoided.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:49 PM
 
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I was not speaking of Atheism as a religion.

My first sentence reads:



Atheism is an ideology.
No it is not.

Absolutely wrong.

atheism is a disbelief in God, that's all. There is no ideology behind it. none whatsoever.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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Atheism is an ideology.
No, Atheism is the non-belief in a deity. It may be a philosophy, but it certainly is not an ideology.
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Old 11-07-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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And not even a philosophy, it is a simple dis-belief in God.

I am sure there are many atheists who believe many different things, but that is not what makes them an atheist.
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Old 11-07-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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Like you telling me you have a Unicorn in your back yard.

I don't believe you. No philosophy, no religious intentions, I simply do not believe you, But I am certainly open to proof if you care to provide it.
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Old 11-07-2014, 04:20 PM
 
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Notwithstanding atheists who make a big deal about not believing in god, at a fundamental level atheism is just the negation of superstition.
More correctly what is perceived as superstition.

However, Atheism is an ideology. That ideology/doctrine being God does not exist.

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ideology
[ahy-dee-ol-uh-jee, id-ee-]

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noun, plural ideologies.
1.
the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.
2.
such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it into operation.
3.
Philosophy.

the study of the nature and origin of ideas.
a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation.

4.
theorizing of a visionary or impractical nature.
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