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Old 11-16-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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And what you posted is exactly what I said.

You are spoon fed something for westerners who know nothing of the religion.
as I said, I can rip that list to shreds with actual scripture.
Only by cherry picking and ignoring the whole thought. A stand alone ayyat is not a command.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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You are being evasive again.

It is not a singular command, it is an entire storyline.

And the post you made just confirms what I said about the denial.

Here I asked for something denying ISIS on Islamic grounds, and the only thing you could come up with is a post that is 100% wrong
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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You are being evasive again.

It is not a singular command, it is an entire storyline.

And the post you made just confirms what I said about the denial.

Here I asked for something denying ISIS on Islamic grounds, and the only thing you could come up with is a post that is 100% wrong
They were denounced on Islamic Grounds for 24 different actions they committed
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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Still doing the same thing.

I said I could rip that list apart as not being the way islam really is, both in documentation and practice.

You got a "made for westerners excuse", and are siding with it.

I even gave you examples.

Shall I post another.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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Number 13, convert or die, is something muhammed himself started and is still practiced today.

Every single one of those is phony, misleading, or outright lies.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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Number 20.

Muslims are not allowed to have images

To this day they destroy them.

Just recently a 600 year old Buddha
A muslim in Japan beheaded 300 year old statues.
The list is endless.
Everything anti-islam is destroyed.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Number 13, convert or die, is something muhammed himself started and is still practiced today.

Every single one of those is phony, misleading, or outright lies.
No where did Muhammad(saws) command that.
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Old 11-16-2014, 01:57 PM
 
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Woodrow,

Why would you say something like that.
His entire raiding excuse was convert, pay the jizya, or die.

In many cases he killed them anyway.

There are lots of verses confirming this.


Muhammad] said, “Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn’t it time that you recognize that I am Allah’s apostle?” He (Abu Sufyan) answered, “As to that I still have some doubt.” I (the narrator) said to him, “Submit and testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head,” so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 814)
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Old 11-16-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Woodrow,

Why would you say something like that.
His entire raiding excuse was convert, pay the jizya, or die.

In many cases he killed them anyway.

There are lots of verses confirming this.


Muhammad] said, “Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn’t it time that you recognize that I am Allah’s apostle?” He (Abu Sufyan) answered, “As to that I still have some doubt.” I (the narrator) said to him, “Submit and testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head,” so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 814)
That is not even an authenticate Hadith or Sunnah
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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Woodrow..

There is nothing in any of the hadieths that can be authenticated.
There is nothing by muhammed
They cannot even prove he existed.

all we have is the writings that were compiled in the 200 to 300 years after his death.

And yes, these are the only writings of the religion, there is nothing else.

it is these writings, weather they are real or not is not important.
These are the writings that make up the religion that is followed.

These are the writings that inspire all of the Islamic terror.
These are the writings that keep the people in line.

And these writings tell a story of a very evil man.
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