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Old 11-16-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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Woodrow..

There is nothing in any of the hadieths that can be authenticated.
There is nothing by muhammed
They cannot even prove he existed.

all we have is the writings that were compiled in the 200 to 300 years after his death.

And yes, these are the only writings of the religion, there is nothing else.

it is these writings, weather they are real or not is not important.
These are the writings that make up the religion that is followed.

These are the writings that inspire all of the Islamic terror.
These are the writings that keep the people in line.

And these writings tell a story of a very evil man.
Such as Ahadith and ayyat like these?



O ye who believe! Do not squander one another’s wealth in vanities, but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good will.
——— The Holy Quran, 4:29.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was asked what type of earning was best, and he replied: ” A man’s work with his hands and every (lawful) business transaction.”
——— Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 846.

The Prophet also said: “A truthful and trustworthy merchant is associated with the prophets.“
——— Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 50.

And also: “There was a merchant who would lend to the people, and whenever his debtor was in difficult circumstances, he would say to his employees, ‘Forgive him so that God may forgive us.’ So, God forgave him.”
——— Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Hadith 292.

You will not attain righteousness till you spend in charity of the things you love.”
——— The Qur’an, Chapter 3, verse 92.

The Prophet Muhammad (s) said: “Do not turn away a poor man…even if all you can give is half a date. If you love the poor and bring them near you…God will bring you near Him on the Day of Resurrection.”
——— Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1376.

“Do good deeds properly, sincerely and moderately and know that your deeds will not make you enter Paradise, and that the most beloved deed to Allah’s is the most regular and constant even though it were little.”
——— Prophet Muhammad (s) as narrated by A’isha (ra) in Sahih Bukhari, vol. 8, hadith 471

“The actions which the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, loved most were those which were done most constantly.”
——— Narrated by A’isha (ra) in Al-Muwatta, vol 9, number 92b

The Prophet Muhammad (s) said: ““It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing.”
——— Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1011.

The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manners and kindest to his wife.”
——— Muhammad (p) cited in Sunnan Abu Dawud.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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Yes
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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Thanks for those saying Woodrow.
They are good words to start the day with.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:51 PM
 
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In the context presented, they are.

In the context they are written, they are not.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:54 PM
 
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Jesus, Mohammed, all of them..... pffffft.
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Old 11-17-2014, 06:20 AM
 
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Jesus, Mohammed, all of them..... pffffft.
All of them?????????

I have reservations about that.

some are fine role models, and great examples for living.

Some are pure evil
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Old 11-17-2014, 06:36 AM
 
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Woodrow, please.

Al-Tirmidhi began his collections 250 years after Muhammed.
Hardly a source.
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Old 11-17-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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Woodrow, please.

Al-Tirmidhi began his collections 250 years after Muhammed.
Hardly a source.
But that is not when the Ahadith in his collection were written
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Old 11-17-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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But that is not when the Ahadith in his collection were written
And I suppose you have something to prove that.

There is nothing, but insnads, that were for some reason written at the same time, and even later.
It is an endless cycle.

Get real,

there should be hundreds of thousands of documents from the 7th century, thinning out as time goes on.

Instead there is nothing from the 7th, and everything, hundreds of thousands of documents, from the 9th and tenth, claiming they are from the 7th, with not a parchment to prove what they are saying.

It does not take a genius to see what is happening, especially when they have been proven false, time after time.
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Old 11-17-2014, 05:36 PM
 
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And I suppose you have something to prove that.

There is nothing, but insnads, that were for some reason written at the same time, and even later.
It is an endless cycle.

Get real,

there should be hundreds of thousands of documents from the 7th century, thinning out as time goes on.

Instead there is nothing from the 7th, and everything, hundreds of thousands of documents, from the 9th and tenth, claiming they are from the 7th, with not a parchment to prove what they are saying.

It does not take a genius to see what is happening, especially when they have been proven false, time after time.
Yet there was no uproar when the Books of Ahadith were written. There were already many people familiar with them.

Tirmidhi did not present anything new, these were already known and circulating among the Muslims. A fairly large portion os Tirmidhi a large potion came from the collections of Bukhari, Muslim and Dawud.

As far as offering you verifiable proof that the Ahadith are the passed down observations by witnesses living at the time of Muhamma(saws) I can't.

That might bother you, but I have no problem with it.
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