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Old 11-10-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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Oh gimmie a friggin break.
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Old 11-10-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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Re-watch very carefully. it is the same sarcasm as in 4:34.

The Sheik replied that beatings are permitted but only in one situation and the conditions to be met are impossible. Notice carefully some of the conditions, the man can not be angry, he can not inflict pain, he can not leave a mark, tc etc

This is all very similar to the Judge's ruling in Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" Shylock was given permission to extract the "Pound of Flesh" but was forbidden to extract any blood when doing so.
So you approve of beating your wife in the case that was described, in the manner it was described?
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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It's also quite flexible, and left to the user.

Kind of what constitutes grounds for an honor killing.
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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So you approve of beating your wife in the case that was described, in the manner it was described?
I really doubt it would be possible to meet the conditions of the manner described. I see that as a sarcastic way of saying it is not permissable to beat your wife.

It is not feasible nor logical a man would desire to beat his wife if he is not angry at her.
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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It's also quite flexible, and left to the user.

Kind of what constitutes grounds for an honor killing.
In Islam all things are the responsibility of the individual. If their interpretation and action is in error they will be held accountable for it either in this life or in the hereafter.
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Old 11-10-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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Sounds like an excuse.

The problem is you have countless crazed muslims enforcing whatever they want.

And since the writings are so contradictory to themselves, anything goes.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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Sounds like an excuse.

The problem is you have countless crazed muslims enforcing whatever they want.

And since the writings are so contradictory to themselves, anything goes.
To a very large extent I agree with you on this.

It all comes down to individual responsibility. We alone are responsible for what we learn and our choices as to what we pick as teachings. We alone must validate the sources of our learning and to always question all things.

There is no set form of learning anyone is going to teach us. We have to be seekers and find all we possibly can to learn from.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:44 PM
 
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I really doubt it would be possible to meet the conditions of the manner described. I see that as a sarcastic way of saying it is not permissable to beat your wife.

It is not feasible nor logical a man would desire to beat his wife if he is not angry at her.
There is never an circumstance, barring self defense that a man should be hitting a woman.

Or vice versa.

All the holy books can say what they want, they are wrong, and they are evil in condoning domestic violence of any sort. Especially if it is prescriptive (she won't have sex with me, so I can beat her). What a horrible, horrible worldview.
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Old 11-10-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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and I can understand how this view lasted throughout the primitive eras of mankind, but wake up people.

we are in the 21st century.

It is these sick religious views that hold back any growing up.

But look at the people of today that still hold on to these, it's insane.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:45 AM
 
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There is never an circumstance, barring self defense that a man should be hitting a woman.

Or vice versa.

All the holy books can say what they want, they are wrong, and they are evil in condoning domestic violence of any sort. Especially if it is prescriptive (she won't have sex with me, so I can beat her). What a horrible, horrible worldview.
You are not seeing that as a condemnation of wife-beating. You are seeing it as a llop hole for doing so.
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