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Old 11-12-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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The short answer is the common problem is the contents of the Qur'an and sunnah, the heart of Islam itself.

Any time, a muslim, who is already brainwashed, from praying 5 times a day can chose to follow these.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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Wow a white person who has figured it all out. This is why America is in the great condition it is in today...
lmao

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Who needs to get a PhD in religion or history with insecure white boys
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:13 AM
 
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Wow a white person who has figured it all out. This is why America is in the great condition it is in today...
lmao

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Who needs to get a PhD in religion or history with insecure white boys
You don't have to be a white person to figure it out.

all you have to do is read the Qur'an and sunnah, and put it into the perspective of todays times.

The last 200 years was the quietest time in Islam's history, only because Jefferson put his foot down.
Now oil money, political correctness, and the prostitution of western politicians, is letting them out of their cage, with the same sick philosophy of rob, rape, and kill, they had in the 10th century.
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Old 11-12-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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your version of "history" is different from mine.....

from an article by Glenn Greenwald.....
How Many Muslim Countries Has the US Bombed Or Occupied Since 1980? | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

To get a full scope of American violence in the world, it is worth asking a broader question: how many countries in the Islamic world has the U.S. bombed or occupied since 1980? That answer was provided in a recent Washington Post op-ed by the military historian and former U.S. Army Col. Andrew Bacevich:

As America’s efforts to “degrade and ultimately destroy” Islamic State militants extent into Syria, Iraq War III has seamlessly morphed into Greater Middle East Battlefield XIV. That is, Syria has become at least the 14th country in the Islamic world that U.S. forces have invaded or occupied or bombed, and in which American soldiers have killed or been killed. And that’s just since 1980.

Let’s tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.

Bacevich’s count excludes the bombing and occupation of still other predominantly Muslim countries by key U.S. allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia, carried out with crucial American support. It excludes coups against democratically elected governments, torture, and imprisonment of people with no charges. It also, of course, excludes all the other bombing and invading and occupying that the U.S. has carried out during this time period in other parts of the world, including in Central America and the Caribbean, as well as various proxy wars in Africa.
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The above did not include the "droning" of Muslims in the Philippines......
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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LOL

Your version of history is about different events in totally different time frames.

Please organize your thoughts before speaking.
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Old 11-13-2014, 08:00 PM
 
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You mentioned the last 200 years being "quiet"---I am saying --not so---before American terrorism, there was European colonial oppression.......

It is right that countries should prioritize their strategic/geo-political agendas....but....It is not right, just or moral to spend billions of dollars in wars to steal resources from other countries when you could have just used that money to BUY those resources and avoided bloodshed and blowback.

In Islam, all of the Earths resources belong to God. Human beings are allowed to use these resources provided they do so responsibly. Since all human beings are equal, all have an equal "right" to the resources of the Earth, but just and proper compensation must be paid to those who have put in their labor for the extraction and sale of the resources. In Business...such transactions are called "win-win"---when both sides to a transaction benefit.

...But...the American "way" is to benefit the few at the expense of the many...in other words a "win-lose" model.
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Old 11-13-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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So you feel you have equal rights to another's property.

I am sure the owners do not feel the same way.

And please, do not use your Gods explanation to decide what another god is doing.
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:34 PM
 
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????what????
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:46 PM
 
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You mentioned the last 200 years being "quiet"---I am saying --not so---before American terrorism, there was European colonial oppression.......

It is right that countries should prioritize their strategic/geo-political agendas....but....It is not right, just or moral to spend billions of dollars in wars to steal resources from other countries when you could have just used that money to BUY those resources and avoided bloodshed and blowback.

In Islam, all of the Earths resources belong to God. Human beings are allowed to use these resources provided they do so responsibly. Since all human beings are equal, all have an equal "right" to the resources of the Earth, but just and proper compensation must be paid to those who have put in their labor for the extraction and sale of the resources. In Business...such transactions are called "win-win"---when both sides to a transaction benefit.

...But...the American "way" is to benefit the few at the expense of the many...in other words a "win-lose" model.
I'm no communist, but in terms of progress, development, the position of women etc. the Soviets were infinitely preferable (as per Afghanistan) to the Taliban any day. The same re Saddam, as much of a tyrant as he was, as an essentially secular dictator the position of women was far more equitable than under the yoke of religion. There were considerably more mixed marriages (Sunni/Shia) with relatively little mind to the same. After the calamitous Iraq invasion many of those relationships fell apart after the old schisms reopened. There's religion for you.
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Old 11-14-2014, 11:49 PM
 
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You mentioned the last 200 years being "quiet"---I am saying --not so---before American terrorism, there was European colonial oppression.......

It is right that countries should prioritize their strategic/geo-political agendas....but....It is not right, just or moral to spend billions of dollars in wars to steal resources from other countries when you could have just used that money to BUY those resources and avoided bloodshed and blowback.

In Islam, all of the Earths resources belong to God. Human beings are allowed to use these resources provided they do so responsibly. Since all human beings are equal, all have an equal "right" to the resources of the Earth, but just and proper compensation must be paid to those who have put in their labor for the extraction and sale of the resources. In Business...such transactions are called "win-win"---when both sides to a transaction benefit.

...But...the American "way" is to benefit the few at the expense of the many...in other words a "win-lose" model.
I'm no communist, but in terms of progress, development, the position of women etc. the Soviets were preferable (as per Afghanistan) to the Taliban any day. The same re Saddam, as much of a tyrant as he was, as an essentially secular dictator, the position of women was far more equitable than under the yoke of religion. There were many more mixed marriages (Sunni/Shia) with relatively little mind to the same. After the calamitous and misguided Iraq invasion many of those relationships fell apart, after the old schisms reopened. There's religion for you.

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