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Old 11-21-2014, 06:47 AM
 
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And why are you using Shia when you think it is convenient
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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And why are you using Shia when you think it is convenient
Hanafi is the largest and oldest Sunni Madhab. The Shia do not follow any of the 4 Sunni Madhabs. Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hambali.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:13 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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This is one of the major problems with Islam.

All he is doing is following the religion, In his mind he did nothing wrong, and actually did what muhammed did and Allah ordered.
The killing of all non-believers.

The Islam apologists will quote verses, which are not applicable, pretending they are, but The religion itself orders this stuff.

One of the reasons islam is so dangerous in the west, is this kind of teaching is available, and none of the muslim leaders will address it.

Instead you will get an excuse.
Sorry, but no.

Linky:

What do today's Muslims need and what does Islam have to offer? by Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem Mohammad in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:18 PM
 
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You obviously need to read abut muhammed.
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:25 PM
 
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You obviously need to read abut muhammed.
If nothing else I will acknowledge that Pruzhany knows much more about Islam than I do. He has had and continues to have face to face contact with Palestinians in Israel. He is also very literate in
Arabic

I might disagree with him about many religious matters, but I will not deny his knowledge. He is not Muslim but I do recognize he is quite knowledgeable about Islam and one of the few non-Muslims that can examine Islam with an Arabic view.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:29 PM
 
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Woodrow.

Examining it from an Arabic view, or a muslim view seems to be different in so many ways.

I examine it from the written documentation, the one causing all the trouble in the world.

The one all of muslimville reverts back to whenever there is an overthrow.

Whatever the different sects change it into, is not the way to examine the basic religion.

It is too late to re-write it into what the different sects want it to be, you are stuck with the original.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:31 PM
 
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Ah... i think it was workplace violence.
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Old 11-22-2014, 12:49 AM
 
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...He has had and continues to have face to face contact with Palestinians in Israel.....
fyi:
Actually for the majority of time it's Arabs & Muslims (not all are Arabs) in the Middle East and not Palestinians in Israel. The Arabs I have contact with in Israel, don't consider themselves Palestinians. For simplicity they are Ottomans. Generationally wise we lived around or near Jerusalem because it was a hub for commerce and not really a center for religion.
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Old 11-22-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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You obviously need to ....
Here's a new link. Read it and see what you think.


Arab Labor (TV show related to Israelis and Palestinians)
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Old 11-22-2014, 09:07 AM
 
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You are doing exactly what Woodrow does.

Todays muslims....as though they are a collective issue.

the serious issue here is the separation of the written Islamic doctrine, and todays muslims.

Todays muslims are different as night and day, but the common bond is the acknowledgment of Muhammed, one of the most vile people who ever lived.


But who was Muhammed, what did he do???

It seems todays muslims are divided into many groups, those who follow the teachings of muhammed, and those who hide the teachings from themselves and the rest of the world.

And it is the denial, that causes many of the problems with your relationship with the west.

I am all for creating a new Muhammed, Islam needs one, but you will be faced with the same problems, you will have to kill all the muslims who will not let go of the original.
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