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Old 12-11-2014, 10:47 PM
 
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Uganda does not follow Christianity.
Other than it is 80% Christian. Or do you mean not what you view as Christian? The same would be said by Muslims. American missionaries when over preaching anti-gay stuff.

 
Old 12-11-2014, 11:08 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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you know of any other religion that runs a country where it is illegal for women to drive? or cant go out without a male escort? ....
Look up history in the US within the last century and further back and see what rights women lacked and go further back when blasphemy was a crime in the US.

Why do Europeans and Americans think that the people of Africa and Asia need to follow their lack of values and modesty?

Why have Europeans and Americans wiped clean their memory of being Colonial powers and kept their foot on the growth of the people of Africa and Asia until a few decades ago?

In time, no matter the religion outside of Christianity, Africa and Asia will find its place based on their cultural values and not the values of others. Islam has it's own path to follow and should not be compared to current Western paths. Each country will follow Islam in its own way as each Christian country follows their own paths.

If you think that Christianity was less anything over the last 1000 or so years, then either you are a revisionist or have amnesia.

And here is something for you to think about; Look up the Amish in the US and see how much they follow your value system. Yet get to follow their ways without being forced to follow modern Christianity.

Another piece of history to keep in mind is that nearly 85 Million people died during WW2 for one reason or another. It may not have been a war based on religion, but keep in mind what religions most did not follow during that war before comparing what religion people should follow now.
 
Old 12-11-2014, 11:26 PM
 
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Keep in mind the article you posted came from a website that copied it from a left leaning website. Now lets throw in some reality. Which Jews actually moved to and live in the West Bank? Right leaning Orthodox Jews who are not the majority (less than 10%). In reality most Israelis would prefer all to agree on the same definition of what Peace is and live by it. If there were any truth to the article then all the Arabs would have been evicted in 1967 from the territories as was done to the all the Jews in 1949. Since that didn't happen then and didn't happen with the signing of two peace treaties then the poll is highly flawed.
 
Old 12-12-2014, 06:26 AM
 
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Since that didn't happen then and didn't happen with the signing of two peace treaties then the poll is highly flawed.
That is a very odd statement.

What happened in the past is one thing. How the people respond to a current poll is another thing.

How can the events of the past cast doubt on the results of a current poll?
 
Old 12-12-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Uganda does not follow Christianity.
Unless something dramatic has happened overnight, sure they are. And they follow a kind of Christianity that would be foreign to most American Christians. Most, but not all American architect of Uganda

There are some horrible things that are being done in the name of Judaism. I don't identify with the ultra-right wingers in the settlements who shout at Palestinian children walking by. Nor do I identify with the type of Judaism that encouraged a man to assassinate Rabin or to murder dozens of people in the Cave of the Patriarchs. That doesn't mean those people aren't Jewish, just that they adept at twisting scripture to do horrible things.

And that's what most of the horror in the name of religion boils down to: people using religion to control, incite, and oppress their population. It has been done all through history.

The same is true of Islam. Woodrow certainly doesn't identify with terrorism. Why do many make that leap of logic that all Muslims must support terror and oppression because a minority do? Yes, many Muslim women cover their hair. I am friends with quite a few and it is their choice. Just like it is an Orthodox Jewish woman's choice to cover her hair once she gets married. I don't feel called to do so, but why put down those who do?
 
Old 12-12-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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That is a very odd statement.

What happened in the past is one thing. How the people respond to a current poll is another thing.

How can the events of the past cast doubt on the results of a current poll?
You want to go in that direction?? Your current poll was done in 2002 at the height of the second intifada and a few months after 9/11 in the US.

link to original article

12 years ago is not so current, is it?

Your link is so out of date that the group listed in the article, Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies, has changed its name to the Institute for National Security Studies.

Now here is their website. Try finding the poll or even a current poll.

http://www.inss.org.il/

Your Islamophobia is coming through pretty clearly at this point.
 
Old 12-12-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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You want to go in that direction?? Your current poll was done in 2002 at the height of the second intifada and a few months after 9/11 in the US.

link to original article

12 years ago is not so current, is it?
No, it is not very current, but it is more current than the historical facts that you mentioned.

The article was interesting. It was a current article in Haaretz, but I didn't see that the poll was 12 years old. Do you have any idea why they would have a current article centered around a 12-year old poll?


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Your Islamophobia is coming through pretty clearly at this point.
Isn't it always pretty clear?
 
Old 12-12-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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... It was a current article in Haaretz, but I didn't see that the poll was 12 years old. Do you have any idea why they would have a current article centered around a 12-year old poll?
Current? Per the article: By Amnon Barzilai Mar. 12, 2002

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Isn't it always pretty clear?
This is a the Religion forum and not the POC forum. Take your phobia there as it has no place here.
 
Old 12-12-2014, 09:50 AM
 
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Current? Per the article: By Amnon Barzilai Mar. 12, 2002
The Haaretz article has a date of Dec 12, 2014 and it has a heading of Breaking News.


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This is a the Religion forum and not the POC forum. Take your phobia there as it has no place here.
But my phobias like to travel with me.
 
Old 12-12-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: southern california
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That is the biggest if statement I have heard ever
Religion does not create people -people create religion
If u r violent and angry and proud and vengeful --you will fashion these flaws into your religious practice
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