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Old 12-23-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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what you need to change is your manner of thinking.



so create entrances at equal sides of a mosque, instead of having men at the glorious front and women at the hidden side. no need to discriminate.
What is glorious about being at the front? There is no alter, the Imam is not seen as a special person. most of us know the words of the prayers and have no need to even look at the Imam, besides if we look anywhere besides our prayer rug we should be looking in the direction of the Qiblah, not at the Imam


As Mosques are usually built from private funds not from some mysterious central Islamic agency, often the design of a Mosque will be limited to the financial ability of the builder.


But most Mosques that I have been in have been designed as you say. Entrances at both sides

Here in the US the majority of the Mosques are a spare room in the Imam's house. Those in attendance being the immediate neighbors.

Typically everybody takes turns as to being the Imam and whose house is the Mosque. What usually happens is all the families gather for either a meal, tea or coffee. Then at prayer time the men go to one room and the women to another.

To a large extent even the largest Mosques try to follow this format.
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Old 12-23-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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I had no idea that Mosques were so crowded. It sounds like a fire hazard, especially if the leader is preaching hell-fire and damnation.




Heck, that would be true even if there is another male next to you.

What if you are on a somewhat crowded elevator and a few women want to get on. Do you get off so you won't have to stand next to them?
That is the posistion we are to stand when in prayer. Would still be touching feet and shoulders if there were only 3 present and the Mosque was the size of the Taj-Majal

If the Imam is preaching, get the hell out that is a terrorist organization not prayers in a mosque.

There is no preaching nor sermon during the 5 obligatory prayers. An Imam may give a short talk prior to the Friday Jummah, but that is to be short and related to local concerns.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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I came from a 3rd world christian country where touching shoulders is common because of the crowded churches. It was never an issue.


The only reason its an issue for muslims is because of their need to justify this:

Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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I came from a 3rd world christian country where touching shoulders is common because of the crowded churches. It was never an issue.


The only reason its an issue for muslims is because of their need to justify this:

Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman
That is just a few things that will annul a prayer. They are many things that will. Anything that distracts your thoughts while in prayer annuls the prayer.

I could write a pretty long list of things that would distract me, thereby nullifying my prayer. For that reason I prefer to do my prayers in a small quiet area where nothing distracts me.

A tent. without windows, in the back yard serves me quite well. You can catch a glimpse of it here in the video I did of my wife's dog


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Old 12-24-2014, 09:35 AM
 
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Something that should be mentioned is that the obligatory 5 salah is not prayer in the Christian sense, although it is translated as prayer. It is a Prayer Service, quite formal and with specific rules. quite complex and requires concentration.

Our prayers Du'a are individual and personal. We do them when ever and whre ever we desire and the words can be our own, actually should be. Our day is almost constant Du'a even while we are working, shopping etc.
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Old 12-24-2014, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Another Islamic hate thread?????


Where is your thread that covers why there are little to no female priests in Christianity or female rabbi's in Judaism?
Checkout Reform Judaism. We have tons of Christian female priests. Check out Episcopalians, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Foursquare, Assembly of God-just to name a few. Read up! Heck-we even sit with our wives in church!
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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What everyone needs to remember is that God hears everyones prayers. None are invalid regardless of the claims to the contrary.
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Old 12-24-2014, 10:53 PM
 
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What everyone needs to remember is that God hears everyones prayers. None are invalid regardless of the claims to the contrary.
Which is why I am trying to point out the difference between Salah (Plural of Salat) and Du'a.

While both translate into English as prayer they are 2 different things.

Du'a is more like the Christian concept of prayer. They are our personal dialogue and our petitions to God(swt) We say them freely and frequently. They are to come freely from our heart, in our own choice of words and whenever where ever we desire. there is no required format. We do our Du'as often such as:
When asking for help
When giving thanks
When asking for mercy
When asking for forgiveness
When giving Praise to Allaah(swt)



Salah is our obligation it is not a prayer in the Christian sense of prayer. It is a formal ceremony with specific acts, movements and words. There are special preparations and intents done in Salah. While perfection is not expected we are to do them to the best of our ability. Many things can invalidate our Salat. If our Salat is invalidated that does not mean Allaah(swt) did not hear it, it means we did not fulfill our obligation and must redo it until we get it right with no distractions. The Salah are identical wold wide. For each Salat all Muslims world wide are saying the exact same words, and doing the exact same movements. A Muslim doing the Fajr Salat in New York is saying the same words and doing the exact same motions as one in Mecca, China, India or anyplace on earth.

This thread is about Salat not about Du'as.


Salat has no counterpart in most Christian denominations although in same ways it is similar to a Catholic or Orthodox Mass. Salat is a formal ceremony with specific rules and procedures, it is not a prayer in the concept of a Christian Protestant prayer. It is a specific ceremony.
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