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Old 01-08-2015, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Do you have a source for that, Daniel? I am not asking in a mean way; it would just be a good source to have.
The Europol report on terrorism from last year (analyzing 2013) is a good place to start:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/conten...nd-report-2014

US terror attacks from 1980 to 2005 can be found here (6% from Muslim terrorists):

FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005

There is a RAND report here that shows the threat of Muslim extremism in the US has been phenomenally exaggerated:

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...RAND_OP292.pdf
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Old 01-08-2015, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Canada
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US terror attacks from 1980 to 2005 can be found here (6% from Muslim terrorists):

FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005
must you wonder why secular terrorism doesnt get as much attention as islamist terrorism?

its because secular terrorism is broad. committed by many different groups for many different reasons.

islamist terrorism however is all tied up to one common goal: Islam.


now back to topic...
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Old 01-08-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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must you wonder why secular terrorism doesnt get as much attention as islamist terrorism?
Well, no, I don't wonder, since I study the subject and know exactly why. What I'm doing is trying to help you all get there.

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its because secular terrorism is broad. committed by many different groups for many different reasons.
So is religious terrorism, but the fact that secular terrorism is broad doesn't in any way, shape, or form mean it can be safely ignored.

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islamist terrorism however is all tied up to one common goal: Islam.
Wrong again. 90% of those terrorist attacks are about expelling or discouraging foreign occupation, not about religion. You very clearly have done none of the research. Maybe you should worry about that before you start making declarations of fact.

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now back to topic...
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Old 01-08-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Canada
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So is religious terrorism, but the fact that secular terrorism is broad doesn't in any way, shape, or form mean it can be safely ignored.
its not. i am filipino. in the philippines the communist group NPA committed many terrorism and the people slammed them for it, and the communist group slowly but surely lost power because of it.


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Wrong again. 90% of those terrorist attacks are about expelling or discouraging foreign occupation, not about religion. You very clearly have done none of the research. Maybe you should worry about that before you start making declarations of fact.
foreign occupation is incompatible with the idea of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisio...m#Dar_al-Islam


which is why muslims are far less forgiving of foreign influence and occupation compared to other colonized nations in history.
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Old 01-08-2015, 05:25 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Being essentially stuck in the 7th century isn't particularly conducive with development.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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its not. i am filipino. in the philippines the communist group NPA committed many terrorism and the people slammed them for it, and the communist group slowly but surely lost power because of it.
Then why are so many people so convinced that Islam is a prominent source of terrorism?

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foreign occupation is incompatible with the idea of

Divisions of the world in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not to mention it's oppressive and people get killed, but let's not attributed humanity to Muslims and instead pretend we can account for their entire perspective with our etic and antagonistic caricatures of their doctrines.

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which is why muslims are far less forgiving of foreign influence and occupation compared to other colonized nations in history.
Wrong again. As I pointed out before, ethnic/separatist terrorism is by far the most common. What do you think is the primary type of relationship catalyzing that terrorism?
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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... 90% of those terrorist attacks are about expelling or discouraging foreign occupation, ....
The word is intervention and no longer occupation.
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Old 01-08-2015, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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which is why Muslims are far less forgiving of foreign influence and occupation compared to other colonized nations in history.
Why should the Muslims of Africa and Middle East be forgiving for being stepped on by Colonial Powers a little more than 60 years ago? What? You don't think they are still doing it. It's just done in a different fashion now.
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Old 01-09-2015, 06:24 AM
 
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Why should the Muslims of Africa and Middle East be forgiving for being stepped on by Colonial Powers a little more than 60 years ago? What? You don't think they are still doing it. It's just done in a different fashion now.
Philippines

Japan

Hong Kong

India


they moved on decades ago. why cant muslims?
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Old 01-09-2015, 07:59 AM
 
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Re: 'Islamist terrorism tied up to one ...goal ..Islam'

No doubt a state too I think. I've always wondered if they had a state , a viable functioning one that the killings will stop. Jury's out on that one. Yes, I can see 'Islam' as a goal but it's linked with a political state......one that would be inimical to free and democratic societies.
Question is why aren't extremists building mosques? Seems more like they're building a military state....for state power.
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