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Old 02-11-2015, 05:20 AM
 
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I think you found the name of who they worship $$$$$'
That is a very powerful deity and just may be the world's largest religion.
And that's the truth.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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But Jumping ahead to Modern times. Beginning with WWII there were hundreds perhaps thousands of Japanese Kamikazi pilots that flew their explosive loaded planes into ships and convoys. None of them were Muslim
This comparison is always used by Islamapologists but it is completely inapplicable because the Kamikaze were motivated by Japanese Imperialism and not religion. They were not following any religious text.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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As for non-Muslim suicide bombers or suicide attacks the list could be quite long.One of the earliest references to a suicide attack will be Sampson in the Bible.
I showed you a list of Islamic suicide bombers obviously very long.

Where is the list you are talking about that 'could be' quite long. I don't think it exists.

Don't care about thousands of years ago. I mean in this day and age.

It's OK to do these bad things because someone else did it too once, what is that?
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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I think you found the name of who they worship $$$$$'
That is a very powerful deity and just may be the world's largest religion.
It may be, but it doesn't help the millions of followers of Islam when these suicide bombers (who are in the low thousands) make personal videos that state that it was done in the name of Islam. In which the video goes viral around the internet and people from their town parade in joyous praise of it.
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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This comparison is always used by Islamapologists but it is completely inapplicable because the Kamikaze were motivated by Japanese Imperialism and not religion. They were not following any religious text.
You do realize the Japanese Emporer was believed to be a God and was worshiped as such.

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The Japanese emperor's godlike status has not changed since the second world war, according to a new exhibit at the country's most popular war museum.
The slick, Shinto-oriented rewrite of history at the Yasukuni shrine in Tokyo denies that Emperor Hirohito renounced his divinity in 1946, as most westerners and Japanese believe.
A walk around the exhibits is a moving experience. Many visitors sob as they look at the photographs and letters of kamikaze pilots. Their sacrifice - made in the name of a divine emperor - is lauded by the museum, which blames the United States for prompting the war.
SOURCE: Japan's revisionists turn emperor into a god once more | World news | The Guardian




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There are several significant similarities between the suicide attacks perpetrated against the U.S. by members of al-Qaeda and those perpetrated against the U.S. by the Tokkotai, most notably the utilization of religious rhetoric to justify suicide attacks.
SOURCE An evaluation of the conceptual similarities and differences between the strategic logic of the religiously motivated suicide attacks of Tokkotai kamikaze and al-Qaeda shahid.
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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I think you found the name of who they worship $$$$$'
That is a very powerful deity and just may be the world's largest religion.

now whats the use of '$$$$$' when you are dead? unless if by '$$$$$' you guys are referring to the 72 virgins.



its quite obvious that to commit suicide bombing you will have to be either coerced into doing it, or extremely faithful to trade your own life for some lofty promises in the afterlife.
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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now whats the use of '$$$$$' when you are dead? unless if by '$$$$$' you guys are referring to the 72 virgins.



its quite obvious that to commit suicide bombing you will have to be either coerced into doing it, or extremely faithful to trade your own life for some lofty promises in the afterlife.
An excerpt from a very interesting study

1. Muslims perpetrate most of today's terror, so most terror must be motivated by Islam.

At present, 31 of 35 organizations perpetrating suicide terror are Muslim. But five years ago, a majority of attacks were carried out by secular rather than religious organizations. Because religion-terror correlations have changed over time, they tell us little about causation. Even if the statistics were stable, it is not possible to infer bomber motivations from organizational charters. Rather than ask who is perpetrating the attacks, we need to ask why.

Here history can help. Martyr missions made their official twentieth-century debut in the Second World War with the Kamikazes; they showed up again in the 1960s, when Viet Cong sympathizers exploded themselves amidst U.S. troops. Their debut in the Islamic world was not until the 1980s, during the Iran-Iraq war. Facing a far superior Iraqi military, Ayatollah Khomeini rounded up children by the tens of thousands and sent them in "human waves" to overrun the enemy. While Persians accrued losses in the war against Iraq, the role of the martyr in defensive jihad was exalted. As in U.S. wars, the dead became heroes.
The Hard Truth About Suicide Bombers | Alternet
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Old 03-04-2015, 01:06 PM
 
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Religious devotion did increase for most individuals prior to their missions, but it is difficult to say what that means: growing devotion could be a cause or an effect of engaging the jihadi network.



Whether its cause or effect that increases devotion it is obvious enough that it takes devotion for someone to commit suicide bombing. that article refutes the idea that they do it for $$$$, whatever that means.
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Old 03-04-2015, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Religious devotion did increase for most individuals prior to their missions, but it is difficult to say what that means: growing devotion could be a cause or an effect of engaging the jihadi network.



Whether its cause or effect that increases devotion it is obvious enough that it takes devotion for someone to commit suicide bombing. that article refutes the idea that they do it for $$$$, whatever that means.
You may notice, the suicide bombers are not the old men teaching them how to be Suicide bombers.
The despots that are recruiting suicide bombers do not become suicide bombers them self. They are the ones who get the financial gains on this earth.
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Old 03-04-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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You may notice, the suicide bombers are not the old men teaching them how to be Suicide bombers.
The despots that are recruiting suicide bombers do not become suicide bombers them self. They are the ones who get the financial gains on this earth.
indeed.
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