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Old 03-12-2015, 08:09 AM
 
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Some times words get in the way of meanings.

To a Muslim the term "Child of God" is blasphemous and considered insulting or demeaning to God(swt).
God (swt) creates and does not procreate. We are the Creation of God(swt) not the progeny of him.
There is none equal to him and he has no partners or children.

The remainder "one must seek to be the embodiment of love, compassion, and embrace peace and brotherhood toward all mankind, anything else, is useless in my humble opinion." is in agreement with what many Muslims believe.

''To be a worthy servant of God(swt), one must seek to be the embodiment of love, compassion, and embrace peace and brotherhood toward all mankind, anything else, is useless in my humble opinion.''

Is comparable with Islamic thought

Isnt it that in Islam your relationship to your "God" is as a slave to a master?

In Christianity their relationship to their "God" is as a child to a father.

 
Old 03-12-2015, 09:14 PM
 
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Isnt it that in Islam your relationship to your "God" is as a slave to a master?

In Christianity their relationship to their "God" is as a child to a father.

Yes, willing slaves by our own choice.
We acknowledge Allaah(swt) owns all things including us and He has dominion over us. We can rebel and disavow he is our master, but that will not change anything.

As out master we know he can punish us severely if we willingly disobey, we know he is the final law maker in all matters, We know he has full dominion over all that exists the seen and the unseen. As our supreme master he alone can forgive our sins and do so with no need of sacrifice, we need only sincerely ask for forgiveness and trust in the knowledge he is all merciful,
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Old 03-12-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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I kind of like Emanuel Swedenborg's take on things...whether true or not, I don't know, but he sure was an intriguing figure.
 
Old 03-12-2015, 11:37 PM
 
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now this man is a great man....a true and great Muslim Scholar in my opinion...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z52JzJKi0Xo
 
Old 03-15-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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Christians killed in Pakistan. BTW how many suicide bombers do you hear about who kill in the name of say, agnosticism - or even Christian suicide bombers for that matter?

BBC News - Deadly blasts hit Pakistan churches in Lahore
 
Old 03-15-2015, 05:52 PM
 
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Christians killed in Pakistan. BTW how many suicide bombers do you hear about who kill in the name of say, agnosticism - or even Christian suicide bombers for that matter?

BBC News - Deadly blasts hit Pakistan churches in Lahore


One problem continuously arises, every time there is a Christian suicide bomber the typical reply is it was not done in the name of religion. Which somehow seems to over ride his Christian upbringing. While if a non-practicing Muslim is a suicide bomber the typical response is it is the result of his religion.
Any Muslim with even minimal Islamic knowledge knows suicide for any reason is forbidden. Islamic teching condemns suicide.
I have lost track of the numerous fatwas that have been issued by Muftis world wide that condemn suicide bombings

As for Christian Suicide bombers here are some from the USA alone :

Bath School disaster
Bath School disaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Continental Airlines Flight 11
Continental Airlines Flight 11 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lexington Avenue bombing
Lexington Avenue bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

National Airlines Flight 2511
National Airlines Flight 2511 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this next one seems to have been religion inspired, but since the man was a Christian that was not mentioned as a cause.
"Orgeron mumbled about "having power in a suitcase," the will of God and having to "get to the children".
Poe Elementary School bombing
Poe Elementary School bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2005 University of Oklahoma bombing
2005 University of Oklahoma bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

San Juan, TX Plane Crashes In Church, Oct 1970
San Juan, TX Plane Crashes In Church, Oct 1970 | GenDisasters ... Genealogy in Tragedy, Disasters, Fires, Floods

Man Crashes Plane Into Texas I.R.S. Office
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html?_r=0

However since all of these were done by Christians in the USA the assumption is their Christian teachings had nothing to do with it.
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Old 03-15-2015, 08:14 PM
 
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Christians killed in Pakistan. BTW how many suicide bombers do you hear about who kill in the name of say, agnosticism - or even Christian suicide bombers for that matter?

BBC News - Deadly blasts hit Pakistan churches in Lahore
To get to the root of the problem it is an outcry for help. The people over there are so desperate for media attention that groups have formed to do so. Now What has driven these people to the brink of humanity?
Environment must be a factor. Upbringing is secondary.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 08:07 AM
 
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While if a non-practicing Muslim is a suicide bomber the typical response is it is the result of his religion.
thats because we understand that 99% of suicide bombings are partially inspired by Islam.

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Any Muslim with even minimal Islamic knowledge knows suicide for any reason is forbidden.
apparently your extremist brethren dont share you opinion. and they are every bit as religious as you are, if not more.



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However since all of these were done by Christians in the USA the assumption is their Christian teachings had nothing to do with it.
christian teachings have nothing to do with violence. you disagree? lets discuss this in the christian forum?
 
Old 03-16-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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thats because we understand that 99% of suicide bombings are partially inspired by Islam.


apparently your extremist brethren dont share you opinion. and they are every bit as religious as you are, if not more.





christian teachings have nothing to do with violence. you disagree? lets discuss this in the christian forum?

Suicide/terrorism has no place in any of the major religions. Yet historically it has occured among adherents of every religion.

It is not a teaching of Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Although today it has become standard to label it as a teaching of Islam.

Yes today 99% of Suicide bombings are by Muslims. Not very long ago 99% were by Hindus. Before that 99% were by Christians and at one time 99% were by Jews.
Suicide bombing is the ultimate sign of desperation.

It is just as inaccurate to say suicide bombing is a teaching of Islam as it is to say it is a teaching of Christianity.

Islamic teachings are called fatwas here are some of the actual teachings (Fatwas) regarding suicide bombings

Fatwa issued against suicide bombings, targeted killings and terrorism
Fatwa issued against suicide bombings, targeted killings and terrorism - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


Fatwa issued against suicide bombing
Fatwa issued against suicide bombing - Telegraph

Pakistani muftis issue fatwa against terrorists, suicide attacks
Pakistani muftis issue fatwa against terrorists, suicide attacks - Central Asia Online

Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism - Part I Fatwas & Formal Statements by Muslim Scholars & Organizations
The American Muslim (TAM)

The Saudi Fatwa against Suicide Terrorism
The Saudi Fatwa against Suicide Terrorism - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy

Suicide attacks are un-Islamic
Suicide attacks are un-Islamic

Afghan parliamentarians praise fatwa against suicide bombings
Afghan parliamentarians praise fatwa against suicide bombings

Fatwa against suicide bombings
Let us build Pakistan (LUBP): Fatwa against suicide bombings by Deobandi & Ahl-e-Hadith scholars is important because most terrorists belong to these two schools of thought.

From Muslims in America, a New Fatwa on Terrorism
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/national/28fatwa.html

UK: Fatwa against suicide bombings
Islam in Europe: UK: Fatwa against suicide bombings

Suicide attack the biggest sin in Islam: Fatwa
Suicide attack the biggest sin in Islam: Fatwa - The Express Tribune

CSCA Supports Fatwa Prohibiting Terrorism and Suicide Bombing
CSCA Supports Fatwa Prohibiting Terrorism and Suicide Bombing
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Old 03-16-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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I have a friend from Iran.
She posted this video on facebook a week or so ago, showing Iranian women through the decades - interestingly she added no commentary about how women started covering their heads again...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XmJUtcsak
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