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Old 04-05-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Islam is not violent, just someones are trying to create such a perception.

 
Old 04-12-2015, 01:09 AM
 
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Just watched so-called IS destroying Nimrud - a power drill was put to use and a bulldozer. Hope the Islamists made them themselves and they weren't dependent on infidel tools.
 
Old 04-12-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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Just watched so-called IS destroying Nimrud - a power drill was put to use and a bulldozer. Hope the Islamists made them themselves and they weren't dependent on infidel tools.
It seems that everything IS uses has been made in Western nations and Russia.
Also many of the members are coming from Western Nations.

Seems like IS is becoming the Kafirun I can not look into their heart or thoughts and can not call them Kafir, but their actions are not in accordance with what I find Islam to be.
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Old 04-12-2015, 04:02 PM
 
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Whereas I don't see its that important where they bought their power tools to commit such an atrocity. The fact they believe themselves to be muslims and proclaim Allah Akbar as they wield their power tools destroying 3000 years of history.. That must surely effect how Islam is viewed.

No matter how many moderate muslims make the claim that these people are not muslim and do not act according to Islam, it's unfortunate that often their actions are what most people are going to judge them by, and for many if they themselves are seen to say they are muslim then they are likely to be seen as muslims.
 
Old 04-12-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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Whereas I don't see its that important where they bought their power tools to commit such an atrocity. The fact they believe themselves to be muslims and proclaim Allah Akbar as they wield their power tools destroying 3000 years of history.. That must surely effect how Islam is viewed.

No matter how many moderate muslims make the claim that these people are not muslim and do not act according to Islam, it's unfortunate that often their actions are what most people are going to judge them by, and for many if they themselves are seen to say they are muslim then they are likely to be seen as muslims.
They are Muslims at the grind level. However they are very-very misguided Muslims.

The leadership however in my opinion is only using religion and extremism in order to recover power they once had. It's no coincidence that the majority of the leadership for ISIS in Iraq are mostly ex-Saddam Baathists and the majority of ISIS leadership in Libya are ex-Gadaffi socialists. Their former leaders and marketing brands for power went out of style so they had to pick up a new brand and ideology.
 
Old 04-20-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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Islamists again and again and again ...

Nations condemn new Islamic State massacre of Christians | The Japan Times
 
Old 04-20-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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The very same group that has been committing atrocities ever since they formed and have been constantly been condemned by Muslims world wide

24 reasons ISIS are wrong: Muslim scholars blast Islamic State ? RT News

https://sjiyad.wordpress.com/2014/07...nst-the-quran/

Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

In Japan, Nervous Muslims Condemn Islamic State - WSJ


It is very easy to become a Muslim. Every person that claims to be Muslim is considered to be a Muslim. However, all who call them self Muslim do not follow Islam.
There is no joining anything to be a Muslim. there is no ritual involved to be a Muslim, no entrance requirements, no ceremony that "makes" a person a Muslim. We only know a person is a Muslim because they say they are. That does not mean they have any Islamic knowledge or have even heard of the Qur'an and Muhammad(saws)

We do accept the members of ISIS as being Muslim, because they say they are, however their action do not indicate they follow any recognized Islamic teachings.
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:07 PM
 
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The very same group that has been committing atrocities ever since they formed and have been constantly been condemned by Muslims world wide

24 reasons ISIS are wrong: Muslim scholars blast Islamic State ? RT News

https://sjiyad.wordpress.com/2014/07...nst-the-quran/

Think Muslims Havenít Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

In Japan, Nervous Muslims Condemn Islamic State - WSJ


It is very easy to become a Muslim. Every person that claims to be Muslim is considered to be a Muslim. However, all who call them self Muslim do not follow Islam.
There is no joining anything to be a Muslim. there is no ritual involved to be a Muslim, no entrance requirements, no ceremony that "makes" a person a Muslim. We only know a person is a Muslim because they say they are. That does not mean they have any Islamic knowledge or have even heard of the Qur'an and Muhammad(saws)

We do accept the members of ISIS as being Muslim, because they say they are, however their action do not indicate they follow any recognized Islamic teachings.
I 100% agree with Woodrow here. And to further add, Modernist should not be stating "Islamists" did it...the correct term is ISIS. "Islamist" encompasses an incredibly broad term that can be applied to a lot of different movements.
 
Old 04-20-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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I 100% agree with Woodrow here. And to further add, Modernist should not be stating "Islamists" did it...the correct term is ISIS. "Islamist" encompasses an incredibly broad term that can be applied to a lot of different movements.
Correct.
Islamist is a very general word, I believe of English origin. I can not think of any Arabic equivalent.
It seems to apply to a wide range of people. some of whom that have no actual concept of Islam.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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Good points
What I think is the hardest thing for non-Muslim to understand about Islam, is our self responsibility instead of following earthly religious leaders.

While I am using the word "We" my views are my own and how I personally find Islam to be.

One can not look at Muslims as being a "Group" we are more individualistic. We are not very receptive of religious leaders. That may look paradoxical as the terrorist groups tend to take on a religious-like persona.

It is impossible for a Muslim to separate his religion from his life. All things we do is a prayer. The word de'en means all of how we live life and how we worship. Our life is our worship and our worship is our life. There is no separation. This goes for all people not just Muslims except many non-Muslims do not comprehend that how they live, is the true way they worship, which is much more telling then the rituals or dogma they call their religion.

In simple terms, our time in formal prayer is what is seen as our religion, but our life is the truth about how well we actually believe and practice.

Now relating this back to terrorist groups and their "clergy" the so called leaders are those who have learned how to control those that do not live a life that is in obedience of Allaah(swt)
They do attract attention and very much publicity, enough that non-Muslims believe they speak for Islam. No one person or group speaks for Islam, at best we can speak only for our self.
There is no "Face of Islam" there are the faces of 1.7 billion very individual people.
Woodrow, you are very correct.When I still openly practiced (my one Agnostic relative didn't agree; my one Catholic relative was okay with it along with another spiritual relative... as long as I was careful who I told... they were more worried about non-Muslims wanting to hurt me), I met so many Muslim people and they were all different. I now take a very spiritual path and still on a spiritual journey - I think you need to be my spiritual adviser. I kid, I kid... but I wish I was a member of this forum back in 2010 because you and others are really helpful from what I can see in your posts. Maybe in the future, I will e-mail you. Anyway, I agree with your assessment 100%... there really is no "Face of Islam."

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You see the Gulf War as a nationality vs religion and that is not true. It was nationality vs nationality. Iraq vs United States. Not Islam. Majority of the Muslims weren't even around that area and did not care except for the fact that the war was a terrible waste of money that could have been better put to use in the United States. Same thing with the more recent conflicts of last decade.

Jerusalem did not belong to the Jews. It doesn't belong to anyone or all three Abrhamic faiths. If you read the passage where it says the Jews "deserve" their land, it is through the doing of good deeds. It's also mentioned that God will test them if they are to falter. But no where did it say that the U.S and U.K will help you artificially create a land by splitting up an already existing civilization. Modern day Israel is based of Zionist principles which has no basis in the religion of Judaism. Jews were already living peacefully (although under British occupation) before WWII. They were only persecuted in large numbers in Europe and even America.

As a Christian, I'm surprised you seem to indirectly be in favor of Jews. Have you forgotten other than Judas who betrayed Jesus and asked for his death to the Roman rulers? His own people, the Jews.

Prophet Muhammad stopped by Jerusalem because it is the 3rd holiest site in Islam. It serves as a significant place in the religion. It is the region of several prophets which I'm sure you also know of through their stories in the Bible. But the question you ask is arbritary. Have you asked yourself why there even needs to be a rapture? Why not just right now? Why does an event have to occur just for the conclusion to happen?
Another point I agree with 100%. There was another poster I agreed with too about Abrahamic religions coming from the Bronze Age. That's true too - all three faiths are similar to an extent. I remember the one family I got involved with told me that Islam is most similar to Judaism. He also said, "Although Muslims don't believe Jesus is the son of God, they are People of the Book too. Jesus is a Prophet and we do recognize that the Bible and Gospels are important to Christians."
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