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Old 01-28-2015, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Interesting. If what you say is true about self-responsibility would it follow that that goes back to the problem non-Muslims feel toward Muslim 'leaders' ostensibly not coming out say 'united' as a bloc against the radicals? I'd think it less likely then that calls to unite against the extremists isn't so easily done under the circumstances.
A big misunderstanding is as to what constitutes an Islamic cleric. We have no ordained clergy, there is no central power that appoints clergy. Although in some Nations Imams, Mufitis, Muezzins etc are paid state jobs.

But what will find most often Islamic "Clergy" is simply self proclaimed roles in the local Islamic community.
The "Big Names" are generally not known outside their home community unless the media has given them attention.

Many of the world's Mosques do not even have an Imam, the oldest person present assumes the role.

Now after all that there are Muslims that have established a reputation for them self and the vast majority of them do speak out against the radicals, extremists and terrorists.
But that does not sell advertising space, the odd ball that spews hatred and violence grabs media attention and is more likely to reach the media, than the Muslim who speaks of love, tolerance and compassion.

The various "Titles" worn by various Muslims do not correspond to Christian Clergy. Very different things,

As for Muslims uniting and speaking out, we do at local levels and even national levels. I have posted many examples of this, but it is never noticed, for the umpteenth time here are links to some examples

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...lamic-s/200498

Anti-Terror Muslims Rally in Toronto Against Radical Islam - Breitbart

Muslim Leaders Worldwide Condemn ISIS Washington's Blog

American Muslims Speak Out Against Radical Islam, Support NYPD - Forbes

Muslims speak up, and against radical Islamists - Right Turn - The Washington Post

Our Positions | Free Muslims Coalition

Western Muslims rally against extremism

The Jewish Press » » Prominent Muslim Doctor Speaks Out Against Radical Islam

 
Old 01-28-2015, 03:10 PM
 
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Re: 'but it is never noticed'

Enlightening overview. Regarding the issue of the media not covering Muslim reaction, I'd ask if say an Islamic 'unified' coalition would ever come together and consider mounting an national campaign that would attempt to grab that 'share of voice' within the public sphere and get their message of love, tolerance and compassion across to perhaps help influence public opinion towards Islam.
 
Old 01-28-2015, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Re: 'but it is never noticed'

Enlightening overview. Regarding the issue of the media not covering Muslim reaction, I'd ask if say an Islamic 'unified' coalition would ever come together and consider mounting an national campaign that would attempt to grab that 'share of voice' within the public sphere and get their message of love, tolerance and compassion across to perhaps help influence public opinion towards Islam.
Financially that is not very feasible.
Things cost money, even the act of establishing unity.

Islam is not a very wealthy religion. we do not tithe, there are no central coffers,

Just using the USA as an example there are over 2100 known Mosques, but less than 700 Imams. Most of which are not only unpaid, but pay all the bills associated with the Mosque.

Islam is not a religion that generates an income
Every Mosque is privately owned and supported by the local community. No central fund to get any financial support from. Although at times the al-Saud family will donate money to local Mosques, most Muslim will rather starve to death then accept even one penny of Saudi money.

Another problem and why it is so difficult to get us organized. We do not know who is a Muslim. Being Muslim is between the Individual and Allaah(swt) no ritual or ceremony or joining required. We accept all who claim to be Muslim as being Muslim unless their actions prove to be anti-Islamic.


But again as individuals and out of our own pockets most Muslims do their best to show we are peaceful and tolerant. This is an individual obligation upon all Muslims.

sadly we do have our share of idiots that seem to want to prove Islam is all about violence.It only takes one or two to turn back all the good other Muslims do

It only took 19 maniacs on 9/11 to turn nearly every American against Islam. Even though Muslims had been living peacefully in the Americas for nearly 500 years
 
Old 01-29-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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^ And a sizable percentage of Muslims have been doing a pretty good job since September 11 giving Islam a bad rap - not re just Americans, but in France, Spain, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Canada, at this time the Japanese are the victims of Islamists - not to mention the large number of Muslims who are suffering at the hands of - fellow Muslims.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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^ And a sizable percentage of Muslims have been doing a pretty good job since September 11 giving Islam a bad rap - not re just Americans, but in France, Spain, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands, Australia, Canada, at this time the Japanese are the victims of Islamists - not to mention the large number of Muslims who are suffering at the hands of - fellow Muslims.
True, there currently are many people wearing the name of Muslim that are trying to destroy Islam and nearly every other religion.
 
Old 01-29-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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Although at times the al-Saud family will donate money to local Mosques, most Muslim will rather starve to death then accept even one penny of Saudi money.
Why is that?
 
Old 01-29-2015, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Why is that?
We do not want to even give any suspicion that we owe any allegiance to the al-Saud family.

Many Muslims feel the al-Saud family has wrongfully appointed them selves as the "Protector of the 2 Mosques". Many of us believe Mecca and Madinah belong to all Muslims not the al-Saud family.
 
Old 01-30-2015, 04:45 AM
 
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We do not want to even give any suspicion that we owe any allegiance to the al-Saud family.

Many Muslims feel the al-Saud family has wrongfully appointed them selves as the "Protector of the 2 Mosques". Many of us believe Mecca and Madinah belong to all Muslims not the al-Saud family.
They took what was four different regions within the last 120 years and made it into one by war.
History of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

side note: They are basically another creation of Britain who supplied them from the shadows. If the worlds Muslims actually took the time to research whose tentacles are in most of the Middle East, they'd stop burning US flags and start burning British flags. France also had a lesser hand in it but they are going after them for the wrong reasons. Those of us with generational family from the region know this. But history is being whitewashed by the Arab League, Britain and France.
 
Old 01-30-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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why would a parent send a child to blow themselves up on a bus full of people?
If we don't expand our world view to include ourselves we will never understand.

ignorance brings chaos ...
 
Old 01-30-2015, 06:48 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Why would a parent send a child to blow themselves up on a bus full of people? If we don't expand our world view to include ourselves we will never understand.

ignorance brings chaos ...
It has nothing to do with the religion. In all cases it has been money.

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Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has raised the amount offered to relatives of suicide bombers from $10,000 per family to $25,000,...
Salaries For Suicide Bombers - CBS News
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