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Old 07-26-2015, 08:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TheProcess View Post
Note that although Islamic terrorists will use a victimhood narrative, and will claim to be acting "in defence" and will reel off various political grievances, these folks also tend to believe in "aggressive jihad". i.e. they will never stop the warfare regardless of Israel or anything else.
there are about 1.6 billion of us, which is about how many different opinions you will get as to what is meant by "Aggressive Jihad" The term is almost an oxymoron, sort of like saying "forced Freewill"

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The True Meaning of "Jihad"

Jihad is usually associated with Islam and Muslims, but in fact, the concept of Jihad is found in all religions including Christianity, Judaism and political/economic ideologies, such as, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc. Islam defines Jihad as striving and struggling for improvement as well as fighting back to defend one's self, honor, assets and homeland. Also, Jihad is interpreted as the struggle against evil, internal or external of a person or a society. Jihad, in Islam, means doing any or all but not limited to the following:

Learn, teach, and practice Islam in all aspects of one's life at all times to reach the highest and best education in order to benefit oneself, family and society.

Be a messenger of Islam everywhere, in every behavior and action.

Fight evil, wrongdoing, and injustice with all one's power by one's hand (action), with one's tongue (speech), or at least with one's heart (prayer).

Respond to the call for Jihad with money, effort, wisdom and life; yet, never fight a Muslim brother, a Muslim country, or a non-Muslim society that respects its treaties and harbors no aggressive designs against Islam or Muslims.

Suicide under any pretext is not condoned as Jihad in Islam.

Converting people to Islam by force or coercion is never Jihad but a crime, punishable by law.

The concept of Muslim men rushing out to kill themselves to get "70 dancing virgins" in Paradise, is really quite silly.

The fact of the matter is, the "companions of Paradise" are mentioned as being pure and so much above anything we might imagine on earth, so as to indicate to us they are perpetually "virgin" and are not "touched" by men or devils.

The words "perpetual virgin" even in English, should give anyone the understanding these are not such as we have known on earth.

There can be no mistaking the meaning in the Arabic language as to the purity and innocence of these companions.
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Old 07-26-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Continuum View Post
Hold on! it is not 27,000++ deaths, it is 27,000 INCIDENTS that involved fatalities. Thus the number of deaths would be much more than that as some incidents of bombing by suicide bombers killed 50 to 100++.

Btw, the above only involve fatalities. We must not ignore the rest of other violent and evil acts that did not have fatalities and death.



Which [death-by-evil] is better??
why is your morality compass? none or not working.
Morally, even one death-by-evil should be a serious concern.

Evils and violence exists.
In general, humanity must deal and prevent ALL types of evils.
It is not efficient to generalize and deal with it on a genera basis.
To be efficient and as a general rule of problem solving we must break down the problem of evil in to manageable categories.
One effective categorization is;
..a -secular evils
..b -religious related evils - re all religions

A sub-category of b is
..i -religious related evils- by Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, etc.
..ii -religious inspired evils - mainly only from Islam

So we must deal with all evils, including secular murders in USA and elsewhere.
In this OP we are dealing with religious inspired evils by SOME Muslims and our mission is to trace to the root causes and find preventive solutions to it.
It is a waste of time to deflect to other issues which are to be handled by respective authorities.

Instead of focusing on the 27,000++ INCIDENTS-with-fatalities by SOME Muslims, what you have been doing is trying to be an ostrich to it and kept asking .... what about this, what about that, to deflect from the real issue of the OP.

If Islam were to disappear, the fact is there will be ZERO Islamic related terrorism.
However, the tribal, ethnic and political issues will still be there and there will be fatalities.
When tribal wars are localized it can be easily contained.
What is significant is you won't get people from all over the world going to join the Syrians or Iraq in their specific tribal wars.
Show me the possibility of a 9 fold increase in secular terrorism?

If someone draw an satirical cartoon, there will be no a chain-reaction of rage around the world.

In general, humanity will have greater opportunities to move toward increasing the moral quotient of the average person and therefrom there will be lesser evils in the world.
Looking at your reply

Quote:
Which [death-by-evil] is better??
why is your morality compass? none or not working.
Morally, even one death-by-evil should be a serious concern.


Apparently I am being misunderstood.



What I said was


Quote:
The USA with only 1/5 the number of people averages 12,000 Murders per year. they are not religion motivated.

Which is better a high death rate that is not Islamic motivated. Or a low death rate attributed to Islam, but resulting in about 1/30 the over all number of violent deaths.

While Islam is held accountable for virtually 100% of Religion Motivated Terrorism, It accounts for less than 10% of the terrorist attacks. Over 90% of the world's terrorist attacks have no religious cause.

Next bit of food for thought. Based on the rates of Islamic terrorism and non-religious terrorism, it seems the rate of Terrorism in the Islamic world would increase 9 fold if Islam were to disappear.
I am not asking which death by evil is better. I am asking which is better, a high death rate or a low death rate.

Yes it is true that the Islamic Nations have virtually all the deaths attributed to Religious terrorism. But the number of terrorist attacks is considerable less then the number of non-religious Terrorist attacks and deaths.

When you look at each Murder in the US as being a terrorist attack with Just 1 death we end up with at least 144,000 terrorist attcks in that 12 year period resulting in a minimum of 144,000 deaths. with the US having a population that is 1/5 the size of the world Muslim population, at that rate if the US had the same population size the result would be 720,000 terroist attacks and a minimum of 720,000 deaths.

I contend that while Islam has virtually all the Religious related terrorism, Islam results in a much lower number of deaths and terrorist attacks than occur in Non-Islamic USA,

If it were not for Islam the number of terrorist attacks and deaths would increase at least 9 fold---but the terrorism would not be labeled Religious---Does that make it better? do you think it is better to have more non-Religious terrorist attacks if it reduces the number of Attacks labelled Islamic?

that is comparing just to the USA which actually has one of the lowest Murder rates among the non-Muslim nations.

read the following violent death rates- which include all violent deaths including the ones labelled Religious terrorism/ Most of the Islamic Nations are in the low end of the chart.

VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:28 PM
 
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Looking at your reply

Apparently I am being misunderstood.

What I said was [see above post]

I am not asking which death by evil is better. I am asking which is better, a high death rate or a low death rate.
I did understand your point, i.e. re death rate.
I would agree if you were to compare death-rates on the used of certain medicine, drugs, and other secular issues but never in religion per se.
In this particular case, it is immoral to made such a comparison when it is related to religion. As far as religion-inspired death is concerned, there should not be any death at all. If there is even ONE such death, we must find the root cause and seek preventive solutions.

Quote:
Yes it is true that the Islamic Nations have virtually all the deaths attributed
to Religious terrorism. But the number of terrorist attacks is considerable less
then the number of non-religious Terrorist attacks and deaths.
As usual you MUST bring in non-religious terrorist attacks and death to deflect the issue.

Do you agree with my proposals that we keep strictly to topic, i.e. Islamic Violence so we can focus on it to find the root causes and seek preventive solutions? i.e.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Continuum
Evils and violence exists.
In general, humanity must deal and prevent ALL
types of evils.
It is not efficient to generalize and deal with it on a
genera basis.
To be efficient and as a general rule of problem solving we
must break down the problem of evil in to manageable categories.
One
effective categorization is;
..a -secular evils
..b -religious related
evils - re all religions

A sub-category of b is
..i -religious
related evils- by Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, etc.
..ii -religious
inspired evils - mainly only from Islam

So we must deal with all evils,
including secular murders in USA and elsewhere.
In this OP we are dealing
with religious inspired evils by SOME Muslims and our mission is to trace to the
root causes and find preventive solutions to it.
It is a waste of time to
deflect to other issues which are to be handled by respective authorities.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodrow LI
When you look at each Murder in the US as being a terrorist attack with Just 1 death we end up with at least 144,000 terrorist attacks in that 12 year period resulting in a minimum of 144,000 deaths. with the US having a population that is 1/5 the size of the world Muslim population, at that rate if the US had the same population size the result would be 720,000 terrorist attacks and a minimum of 720,000 deaths.

I contend that while Islam has virtually all the Religious related terrorism, Islam results in a much lower number of deaths and terrorist attacks than occur in Non-Islamic USA,

If it were not for Islam the number of terrorist attacks and deaths would increase at least 9 fold---but the terrorism would not be labeled Religious---Does that make it better? do you think it is better to have more non-Religious terrorist attacks if it reduces the number of Attacks labelled Islamic?

that is comparing just to the USA which actually has one of the lowest Murder rates among the non-Muslim nations.

read the following violent death rates- which include all violent deaths including the ones labelled Religious terrorism/ Most of the Islamic Nations are in the low end of the chart.

VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
The above is one of the most perverted application of logic and rationality when dealing with such a subject. That indicate the desperation you are in to deflect the issue away from your religion.

The rational, wiser and more effective approach to deal with
VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
is to apply the most effective Problem-Solving Technique as I had suggested above, i.e. [repeat again]

1. Analyze the actual data from that link and break down the violence into manageable categories.
(With your psychology background I am VERY certain your are knowledgeable of such techniques which is critically necessary in your diagnosis of patients and problems. But when it comes to your religion, your religious self shut the door to this useful technique and become ignoramus of it. This is how some religions turned their believers to become walking zombies)

2. All the violence be analyzed by the categories under RELIGION {this OP}, Secular: political, ethnic, social, drugs, cultural, racism, gangs, crime of passion, psychological, poverty, by countries, local conditions, as many relevant variables, etc.

3. Religion-related violence can be further categorized under
..i -religious-related evils- by Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Islam, etc.
..ii -religious-inspired evils - mainly only from Islamic texts.

The point is the more manageable units one can break down the more effective will be the solutions to a problem. [with a holistic awareness of the whole issue].

The fact is when one test the hypothesis re religious-inspired violence, it can easily be verified by evidence. QED. Note the ones I have given, re Bin-Laden, Bali Bomber, 7/7, Woolwich killer, etc.

Do you agree this is more effective in dealing with violence in the world?
 
Old 07-26-2015, 09:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Woodrow LI View Post
there are about 1.6 billion of us, which is about how many different opinions you will get as to what is meant by "Aggressive Jihad" The term is almost an oxymoron, sort of like saying "forced Freewill"

About Jihad - Islam Jihad and Terrorism
The '1.6 billion Muslims' is a very cheap concept to deflect any main issues related to Islam. You forgot at times you will inform in various posts, Muslims are divided into sects with various main schools.

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Jihad (جهاد‎ ǧihād [dʒiˈhæːd]) is an Islamic term ......... "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)", to refer to the act of striving to serve the purposes of God on this earth.
Javed Ahmad Ghamidi states that there is consensus among Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers. -wiki
I agree with Ghamidi, a reputable Islamic scholar. He is referring to the conventional term of 'aggressive Jihad.'

The concept of 'striving in the cause & way of Allah' is mentioned 57 times in the Quran and most of these are related to fighting and waging wars against infidels and 'spending' which is supporting the wars.
Such verses are instill in Muslims to the extent there is a sense of threat to their religions. It is inevitable SOME [20% = 300 millions ] Muslims will be imbued with the compulsion to act out the related evil laden elements within the Quran against non-Muslims. This is not a speculation but which is really happening with terrible evils committed by fundamentalists Islamist all over the world.

There is no specific mentioned of 'major' or 'minor' Jihad within the Quran. These terms are mentioned somewhere in the Hadiths.
 
Old 07-27-2015, 12:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Continuum View Post
I did understand your point, i.e. re death rate.
I would agree if you were to compare death-rates on the used of certain medicine, drugs, and other secular issues but never in religion per se.
In this particular case, it is immoral to made such a comparison when it is related to religion. As far as religion-inspired death is concerned, there should not be any death at all. If there is even ONE such death, we must find the root cause and seek preventive solutions.

As usual you MUST bring in non-religious terrorist attacks and death to deflect the issue.

Do you agree with my proposals that we keep strictly to topic, i.e. Islamic Violence so we can focus on it to find the root causes and seek preventive solutions? i.e.





The above is one of the most perverted application of logic and rationality when dealing with such a subject. That indicate the desperation you are in to deflect the issue away from your religion.

The rational, wiser and more effective approach to deal with
VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
is to apply the most effective Problem-Solving Technique as I had suggested above, i.e. [repeat again]

1. Analyze the actual data from that link and break down the violence into manageable categories.
(With your psychology background I am VERY certain your are knowledgeable of such techniques which is critically necessary in your diagnosis of patients and problems. But when it comes to your religion, your religious self shut the door to this useful technique and become ignoramus of it. This is how some religions turned their believers to become walking zombies)

2. All the violence be analyzed by the categories under RELIGION {this OP}, Secular: political, ethnic, social, drugs, cultural, racism, gangs, crime of passion, psychological, poverty, by countries, local conditions, as many relevant variables, etc.

3. Religion-related violence can be further categorized under
..i -religious-related evils- by Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Islam, etc.
..ii -religious-inspired evils - mainly only from Islamic texts.

The point is the more manageable units one can break down the more effective will be the solutions to a problem. [with a holistic awareness of the whole issue].

The fact is when one test the hypothesis re religious-inspired violence, it can easily be verified by evidence. QED. Note the ones I have given, re Bin-Laden, Bali Bomber, 7/7, Woolwich killer, etc.

Do you agree this is more effective in dealing with violence in the world?
I think the way to reduce the majority of violence is to disable the Drug Cartels, and the gangland mentality that has become prevelant in the world's cities. Part of this will require a means of reducing poverty.

I live among the most poverty stricken people in the Western Hemisphere.The Oglala of Pine Ridge. Although they number only 15 to 20,000 people on the rez. violence is rampant. However, the violence is turned inward with the highest suicide and substance abuse rates in the world. One factor that keeps violence down is the very low population density. The Oglal are almost extinct. 20,000 people at most in an area the size of the state of Connecticut--3,469 mi² (8,984 km²)

Poverty, and drugs are a much larger cause of violence than the Qur'an ever could be, Get them under control and there will no "religious" terrorism. Bring a revision or end to Islam and I sincerely believe the result will be a huge increase in terrorism. I have been trying to find figures that can demonstrate violence increases as Islam decreases.

I have found this relating to Turkey

Quote:
In Turkey the murder rate of women increased by 1,400 percent between 2002 and 200
Turkey's Murder Rate of Women Skyrockets

Quote:
The sixth wave of the World Values Survey (WVS) – conducted periodically in 100 countries that represent almost 90 percent of the world's population, using a common questionnaire – which was conducted in Turkey from June to August 2012, has revealed significant results regarding Turkish people's beliefs and their daily religious practices.

When those polled were asked whether they define themselves as religious (without considering mosque attendance) 84 percent of respondents said they are. Since 1993, there has been an 11 percent increase in the number of people who define themselves as religious; however, there has been a 10 percent decrease in the number of people who go regularly to mosques. Today, only 25 percent of Turks go to the mosque, according to the WVS survey. This number represents a remarkable decrease over the last 10 years. There has been a 10 percent decrease overall in the number of people who go to mosques.
Surveys: Fake religiosity, shallow conservatism on the rise in Turkey

Over the past 2 decades the Practice of Islam in Syria has dropped Dramatically

Quote:
2. Despite alliances with Iran and Hezbollah, the Alawites are Syria’s most secular faith group.

Following the decline of Christian power in Lebanon and the end of Sunni rule in Iraq, Syria’s ruling Alawites are the last of the three great minority-led regimes resulting from the “divide and rule” tactics of colonial powers. As an esoteric religion with only 12% of Syria’s population, Alawite beliefs and practices are not well-understood even among other Muslims, partially owing to the historical practice of
taqiyya whereby Alawites hid their beliefs in order to avoid persecution. An 8th century offshoot of Shia Islam, the Alawite faith is often considered heretical by both Sunni and Shia Muslims alike. Unlike mainstream Muslims, the Alawites do not consider the Five Pillars of Islam to be obligatory. Culturally distinct from other Muslims, Alawites don’t have mosques, they don’t encourage their women to wear headscarves, and many choose neither to fast during Ramadan nor to pray. Instead, Alawites venerate the Prophet’s cousin and son-in-law Ali, for whom they are named, with a zeal which some other Muslim groups have labeled as deification.
5 faith facts on religion in Syria - OnFaith

but Syria is currently experiencing some of the worse terrorist attacks in the world

Quote:
The Syrian government itself has been accused of terror or state terrorism. September 5, 2012 Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan stated, "The regime has become one of state terrorism. Syria is going through a huge humanitarian saga. Unfortunately, as usual, the international community is merely watching the slaughter, massacre and the elimination of Muslims."[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Syria



the number of Terrorist fatailities in Pakistan increased dramatically from 203 to 2013

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2015

I can not find any stats to show if religious practice is increasing or decreasing. Howevr I did find less then !% of Pakistani children attend a Madrassas (Islamic school) which indictes Pakistanis do not seem to practice their stated religion/

Quote:
children enrolled in madrassas across the 1991,
1998 and 2001 rounds, this accounts for less than
1 percent of all enrollment (around 0.7 percent of all enrollments in the 1991, 1998 and 2001
While so far I have only looked at a few of the 49 Islamic Nations, so far it seems that as Participation in Islam declines, terrorist attacks increase.
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Old 07-27-2015, 01:38 AM
 
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You did not address and answer my question;
I repeat it again:

Quote:
The rational, wiser and more effective approach to
deal with
VIOLENCE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY
is to apply the most effective Problem-Solving Technique as I had suggested above,
i.e. [repeat again]

1. Analyze the actual data from that link and break
down the violence into manageable categories.
(With your psychology background I am VERY certain your are
knowledgeable of such techniques which is critically necessary in your diagnosis
of patients and problems. But when it comes to your religion, your religious
self shut the door to this useful technique and become ignoramus of it. This is
how some religions turned their believers to become walking
zombies)

2. All the violence be analyzed by the categories under
RELIGION {this OP}, Secular: political, ethnic, social, drugs, cultural, racism,
gangs, crime of passion, psychological, poverty, by countries, local conditions,
as many relevant variables, etc.

3. Religion-related violence can be
further categorized under
..i -religious-related evils- by
Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Islam, etc.
..ii -religious-inspired
evils - mainly only from Islamic texts.

The point is the more manageable
units one can break down the more effective will be the solutions to a problem.
[with a holistic awareness of the whole issue].

The fact is when one
test the hypothesis re religious-inspired violence, it can easily be verified by
evidence. QED. Note the ones I have given, re Bin-Laden, Bali Bomber, 7/7,
Woolwich killer, etc.
Do you agree this [breaking down in manageable units] is more effective in dealing with violence in the world?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodrow LI View Post
I think the way to reduce the majority of violence is to disable the Drug Cartels, and the gangland mentality that has become prevelant in the world's cities. Part of this will require a means of reducing poverty.
This is off topic.
In any case once we have broken down the whole problem into manageable units, the Drug Cartels will be one sub-units and the relevant resources and be assigned to deal with it. Btw, I am doing a research project re 'Towards Perpetual Peace" which will cover to deal ALL evils in the world. I am not covering the other types of evil here because this OP is related to Islam & Violence.

Quote:
Poverty, and drugs are a much larger cause of violence than the Qur'an ever
could be, Get them under control and there will no "religious" terrorism. Bring
a revision or end to Islam and I sincerely believe the result will be a huge
increase in terrorism. I have been trying to find figures that can demonstrate
violence increases as Islam decreases.
I agree poverty is one factor. But there are very rich Muslims [Bin Laden and others] who gave up their richness and stable jobs to commit Islamic violence.
As such whilst poverty is one variable to deal with, we still have rich Muslims who are inspired by the Quran and other holy texts to commit violence.

Quote:
I have found this relating to Turkey

Turkey's Murder Rate of Women Skyrockets

Surveys: Fake religiosity, shallow conservatism on the rise in Turkey

Over the past 2 decades the Practice of Islam in Syria has dropped Dramatically


5 faith facts on religion in Syria - OnFaith
but Syria is currently experiencing some of the worse terrorist attacks in the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Syria
the number of Terrorist fatailities in Pakistan increased dramatically from 203 to 2013

Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2015

I can not find any stats to show if religious practice is increasing or decreasing. Howevr I did find less then !% of Pakistani children attend a Madrassas (Islamic school) which indictes Pakistanis do not seem to practice their stated religion/
While so far I have only looked at a few of the 49 Islamic Nations, so far it seems that as Participation in Islam declines, terrorist attacks increase.
Unfortunately this is a very slipshod argument.

Btw, violence and terrorism is one merely one obvious examples of the evils by SOME Muslims which in total include persecution of minorities, oppression of woman and other education and advance knowledge, exterminations of historical sites, mass rapes, genocides, etc.

Take a look at this stats on a worldwide basis;



The above is on a rising trend regardless of your slipshod arguments.
Note the increased activities of Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS, many others and newer terrorist groups are on the way.
We need to deal with this factual increase and not deviate to frivolous hypothesis [increase Islamism = less violence] of yours.

Note this simple hypothesis of why we should direct attention to Islamism [in addition to other types of evils] and not your hypothesis.

1. There are a significant percentage of evil laden elements in the Quran and related Islamic matters.
2. Approximately 20% of Muslims are prone to evil.

Based on the above,
The current potential evil is from 300 million Muslims [20% x 1.5 b]
According to your hypothesis to increase Islamism, say we increase numbers of Muslims to 2 billion.
IF 2 billion, the potential evil from Muslim will rise to 400 million.

So you can see the model in general does not predict a reduction in evil and violence, instead the evil potential quantum increase from 300 million to 400 million Muslims.
Your argument and hypothesis that increase in Muslims will reduce violence, therefore do not work.


Btw, don't forget to answer my question in bold above.
Do you agree this [breaking down in manageable units] is more effective in dealing with violence in the world?
 
Old 07-27-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Something that needs to be clarified is the sticker from "TheReligionof Peace"



And exactly what it means and how the figures are obtained.

What it shows is there has been an average of less then 2,000 Islamic Terrorist Attacks per year for the past 14 years.

What can that be compared to?

World wide between 2006 and 2014 There have been well overe 10,000 Terrorist attacks per year except for 2012 and 2013

Quote:
2006--14,371
2007--14,414
2008--11,662
2009--10,969
2010--11,604
2011--10,283
2012--6,771
2013--9.964
2014--13,483
TOTAL--63,074
AVG PER YEAR--10,512
SOURCE: • Terrorism: number of attacks worldwide 2006-2014 | Statistic
The little counter is not showing much of anything except what Daniel Greenfield is trying to imply.

Quote:
TheReligionOfPeace.Com and the Faulty “Islamic Terrorism Ticker”:

If you visit JihadWatch, AtlasShrugs or any of the too numerous to count anti-Muslim hate sites and blogs, you are likely to find on the sidebar a hyperlinked image claiming that “Islamic Terrorists have carried out more than _____ Deadly Terror Attacks Since 9/11.” The image was created by the anti-Islam hate site, The Religion of Peace (TROP), associated with Islamophobe Daniel Greenfield, aka “SultanKnish,” who you will recall earns a pretty penny from the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

The clear visual intent of this “Islamic terrorism ticker” is to provoke an emotive fear and anxiety of a global, monolithic, totalitarian Islam (read: Muslims), that is waging terror everywhere through thousands upon thousands of unmitigated and random attacks. On TROP the “terror ticker” serves as ammunition for the site’s stated missionary proposition of portraying “Islam” as “the world’s worst religion.” It also aids in the attempt to tie terrorism to Islam.

Even a cursory glance at TROP’s list of so-called “Islamic terrorist attacks” reveals it to be nothing more than a deeply biased, propagandistic spin-job that conflates: real terrorist attacks, (semi)religious/culturally motivated crimes, attacks on military personnel and attacks by secular groups with no ideological basis in Islam — all in theaters of occupation, civil war and separatist conflict.

Sheila Musaji comments on this aspect of TROP’s list, writing,ts site lists acts committed around the world – some in wars, some having nothing to do with Islam, but to do with nationalist or political struggles, some in civil wars. No links are given. No sources for any of this just a list of supposed attacks carried out by “Islamic terrorists”.

Musaji’s complaint about their lack of links or citations to attacks holds true, however, one can generally glean where they grab their information. Some of it is likely from verifiable news sources while other sources are Right-Wing Christian/Zionist sites and news aggregators such as World Net Daily, BosNewsLife and Arutz Sheva.
TheReligionOfPeace.Com and the Faulty "Islamic Terrorism Ticker"

Las Vegas, NV
Quote:
(as of July 7,2012)

The clear visual intent of this “Islamic terrorism ticker” is to provoke an emotive fear and anxiety of a global, monolithic, totalitarian Islam (read: Muslims), that is waging terror everywhere through thousands upon thousands of unmitigated and random attacks. On TROP the “terror ticker” serves as ammunition for the site’s stated missionary proposition of portraying “Islam” as “the world’s worst religion.” It also aids in the attempt to tie terrorism to Islam.

Even a cursory glance at TROP’s list of so-called “Islamic terrorist attacks” reveals it to be nothing more than a deeply biased, propagandistic spin-job that conflates: real terrorist attacks, (semi)religious/culturally motivated crimes, attacks on military personnel and attacks by secular groups with no ideological basis in Islam — all in theaters of occupation, civil war and separatist conflict.

Sheila Musaji comments on this aspect of TROP’s list, writing,

This site lists acts committed around the world – some in wars, some having nothing to do with Islam, but to do with nationalist or political struggles, some in civil wars. No links are given. No sources for any of this just a list of supposed attacks carried out by “Islamic terrorists”.

Musaji’s complaint about their lack of links or citations to attacks holds true, however, one can generally glean where they grab their information. Some of it is likely from verifiable news sources while other sources are Right-Wing Christian/Zionist sites and news aggregators such as World Net Daily, BosNewsLife and Arutz Sheva.

A sampling of the entries on TROP’s “terrorism attack ticker” list is quite revealing. One of their most recent entries is an attack near Turbat, Pakistan. This is how TROP spins this nationalist/separatist attack:


According to most reports Balochistani nationalist separatists are suspected (via. CNN),

Attackers on motorcycles killed 18 Pakistani day laborers traveling through Pakistan’s Balochistan province on their way to Iran on Friday, according to Home Secretary Naseebullah Khan Bazai.

No one has claimed responsibility for the attacks, but Bazai said authorities suspect Baloch insurgents who have been fighting Pakistan’s government over economic, political and human rights issues.

According to Bazai, the day laborers from Punjab and Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa provinces were heading to Iran to seek work when four assailants on two motorcycles drew close and opened fire, killing 18 and injuring two.

The incident happened about 74 miles (120 kilometers) from Turbat, CNN affiliate GEO TV reported.

Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf’s office condemned the attack, saying in a statement that “the cowardly act will not weaken the resolve of the government and people to defeat the forces of evil.”

These facts are no hindrance for TROP’s propagandistic methodology, they likewise file this attack under “Islamic terrorist attack.”

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there are about 1.6 billion of us, which is about how many different opinions you will get as to what is meant by "Aggressive Jihad" The term is almost an oxymoron, sort of like saying "forced Freewill"

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"aggressive jihad" means fighting to expand the Islamic world.
 
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"aggressive jihad" means fighting to expand the Islamic world.
I don't know why this term "aggressive Jihad" leaves me thinking of 'Imperialism' with its greed and lust, love of war/conflict and blood shed.


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I don't know why this term "aggressive Jihad" leaves me thinking of 'Imperialism' with its greed and lust, love of war/conflict and blood shed.


Read Islamic Books » Question (Aggressive or Defensive Jihad)




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Jihad applies to every religion, ideology, government. political entity etc

The only aggressive Jihad taking place is imperialism and the gaining control of the Mideast oil reserves/
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