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Old 08-13-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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Political correctness intended to protect the 'underdog' often gives succor to the oppressor.

 
Old 08-13-2015, 11:42 PM
 
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Political correctness intended to protect the 'underdog' often gives succor to the oppressor.
This is exactly what is happening in the world at present.

Since 20 years ago there were already many who had warned against Islam-in-part as supported by its whole. However those in authorities did not bother to heed.

The reality: prior to ISIS, those who critique Islam [even part thereof] were branded as Islamophobic, labeled with all sort of derogatory terms and prevented from giving justified critical views.
Then we have a greater surge of Islam-inspired terrorism from ISIS, Boko Haram and many others.

Humanity must get to understand the proximate root causes of the terrible Islamic-related-inspired evils and violence that are being committed around the world then, now and in the future.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 12:11 AM
 
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"Humanity must get to understand the proximate root causes of the terrible Islamic-related-inspired evils and violence that are being committed around the world then, now and in the future."

Continuum, do you think any progress is being made? I am seeing small groups of people with a general understanding of Islam but who feel like there is nothing they can do to stop the takeover of Islam in their countries. Their intense frustration is turning into hate as more and more terrorist (and other) incidents occur. I have no idea if or when this frustration and hate will turn into violence. For now, they watch things unfold and vent. They are seeing their politicians, media, education system, judicial system and neighbors take the politically correct route and even support Islam...to a far greater extent than Christianity is supported in countries of majority Christians.

What I do not see is any organized planning to stop a takeover by Islam. And any small organized event runs the risk of a terrorist attack. And when there is a terrorist attack, event organizers are blamed. Muslims have manipulated a situation where the people who hate the hate in Islam become the haters.

Do you see any hope for the future? Do you think that Europe is already lost?
 
Old 08-14-2015, 01:27 AM
 
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"Humanity must get to understand the proximate root causes of the terrible Islamic-related-inspired evils and violence that are being committed around the world then, now and in the future."

Continuum, do you think any progress is being made? I am seeing small groups of people with a general understanding of Islam but who feel like there is nothing they can do to stop the takeover of Islam in their countries. Their intense frustration is turning into hate as more and more terrorist (and other) incidents occur. I have no idea if or when this frustration and hate will turn into violence. For now, they watch things unfold and vent. They are seeing their politicians, media, education system, judicial system and neighbors take the politically correct route and even support Islam...to a far greater extent than Christianity is supported in countries of majority Christians.

What I do not see is any organized planning to stop a takeover by Islam. And any small organized event runs the risk of a terrorist attack. And when there is a terrorist attack, event organizers are blamed. Muslims have manipulated a situation where the people who hate the hate in Islam become the haters.

Do you see any hope for the future? Do you think that Europe is already lost?
The default is
'the truth will always prevail' eventually,
it is just a matter of time. It may not be our time but eventually some time in the future.
10,000 to 5,000, to 1,000 years ago many would have dreaded slavery but eventually and surely 'slavery' is being weaned off with great results from the average consciousness of humanity. A slower trend is happening with 'racism' where there are obvious trends of improvements compared to 200 - 100 years ago.

I see the same trend for theism and religions but it is moving very slowly at present, i.e. there are more non-theists compare to 100 years ago. Attendances in Churches of mainstream Christianity are declining. I see two parallel graphs moving forward;
1. Religiosity and theism - on average progressing steadily say 50%
2. Non-religiosity - progressing slowly, say 25%
The reason why religiosity and theism are holding strongly and steadily is because all humans are infected with an inherent unavoidable existential dilemma [ED] within the DNA/RNA. The majority relied on religiosity and theism to deal with this ED. As we are well aware, a certain religion has very malignant evil element while others has some liabilities to humanity.

Since the ED is unavoidable [at least till the next 200 years] and religiosity and theism are critical necessities to deal with the ED for the majority, the only way to wean off religiosity and theism [with their net-liabilities] is to replace them with fool proof net positive alternatives to deal with the unavoidable ED.

Unfortunately at present there are no effective alternatives that are acceptable on a voluntarily basis for the majority, thus we have to bear with the various present approaches even though they are a liability and threat to humanity.

However I am very optimistic the tide will turn in the near future when humanity is able to produce effective alternatives to replace religiosity and theism to deal with the inherent unavoidable ED. This is based on the current trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology in various fields. Then humanity will be able to produce effective fool proof replacements approaches to deal with the inherent ED and for the majority to accept it voluntarily. I predict the first to be weaned off at a greater rate will be Islam and its serious threat [possible extinction of the species] to humanity.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 07:18 AM
 
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Interesting article on the liberal-left's acquiescence re Islamism ...

The British Left
 
Old 08-14-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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Osama bin Laden's son Hamza 'calls for attacks on the West' - Telegraph
 
Old 08-20-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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Default The Koran vs The Bible

The Old Testament is brutally violent against other groups of people. The Christian Crusades led by the Knights Templar slaughtered Muslims. The Talks about God commanded that they take towns and kill every inhabitant of the town, including women and children.

I am not a avid reader of the Koran, but I do know that there are many places that mention the killing of the infidels.
Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them 2:191
Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood 9:123
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them 9:5
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax 9:29
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable 3:85
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them 9:30
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam. 5:33
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque 9:28
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies 22:19
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them 47:4
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them 8:65
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends 3:28
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an 8:12
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels 8:60

So, let's be fair, Jewish, Christian, and Muslims are all guilty of this. Why do men kill each other in the name of God. Being a Christian by faith, Christ taught us to turn the other check and to help and love each other. Where did we get lost?

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Old 08-20-2015, 11:20 PM
 
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So, let's be fair, Jewish, Christian, and Muslims are all guilty of this. Why do men kill each other in the name of God. Being a Christian by faith, Christ taught us to turn the other check and to help and love each other. Where did we get lost?
Whilst the NT has it share of negative as with the other Abrahamic religion, the difference is within itself there is a universal unconditional overriding ceiling limit, i.e. love your enemies, exercise love above all else and the likes.

With Islam, it has a no-holds-barred situation for anyone with the inclinations to do evil to do what they like and that is sanctioned by God.
Where there are verses calling Muslims to do good, these are conditional upon non-Muslims having to convert to Islam or are being subject to a state of subservient and be dominated by Muslims.
Example:
5:32-33 Kill One Human, Kill Mankind

In addition, Muhammad has a very extensive and obvious martial background and Muhammad is supposed to be an exemplar for all Muslims to follow.
Thus if only 20% of Muslims would take Muhammad as a war-hero and wish follow his example, that is a pool of 300 millions war-charged Muslims around the world.
Even if the 20% is reduced to 1% we will have a very critical and dangerous quantum of 15 million given that lone wolves are sufficient to cause havoc.
 
Old 08-21-2015, 01:56 AM
 
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The enemies of the Islam are cunning, they design and plan with their trickery and evil, that which seem to people as it is the Islam, when it is only the planning and designing of their enemies: the Zionists and Imperialists.

So they use and exploit Muslims to disfigure the picture of the Islam to other people, and to massacre the Muslims themselves by the hands of the people of their religions: Muslims also.

So the enemies of Muslims kill silently and ruthlessly, while Muslims (some stupid or exploited Muslims) kill loudly with shouting and noise.

To prove my words: see the destruction and devastation that happened in the Muslim countries, specially those round about Tel Aviv, and think, to whose advantage is all such devastation and destruction so that millions of the Arab and Muslims have been killed and other millions fled their countries, in addition to ruining of the infrastructure, and the disturbance of security and buildings and everything.
You got it wrong here.

The problem is Islam leverages its effectiveness on the primal 'us versus them' impulse inherent in all humans. This is the separation of us-Muslims-good versus them-Kuffar-evil. The Kuffar are deemed a threat to the religion and thus portrayed as enemies.

The Zionists issue must be resolved but that issue is NOT a part of the OP [off topic]. War is evil and thus must be resolved. These problems are not part of the OP.
However Islam inspired evils and violence [this OP] is significant because it is prevalent all over the world where there are Muslims.

Note the oppressions, killings, raping, hindering of education, cultural genocide, etc, which are done in the name of Islam by SOME Muslims, [stupid, exploited and Muslim in general] and many of these evils are not related to Zionism nor imperialism.

While humanity must resolve whatever evils and violence, Muslims need to recognize and acknowledge that Islam itself is partly to be blamed for inspiring evils and violence committed by SOME [evil and good] Muslims.
 
Old 08-21-2015, 07:11 AM
 
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You got it wrong here.

The problem is Islam leverages its effectiveness on the primal 'us versus them' impulse inherent in all humans. This is the separation of us-Muslims-good versus them-Kuffar-evil. The Kuffar are deemed a threat to the religion and thus portrayed as enemies.

The Zionists issue must be resolved but that issue is NOT a part of the OP [off topic]. War is evil and thus must be resolved. These problems are not part of the OP.
However Islam inspired evils and violence [this OP] is significant because it is prevalent all over the world where there are Muslims.

Note the oppressions, killings, raping, hindering of education, cultural genocide, etc, which are done in the name of Islam by SOME Muslims, [stupid, exploited and Muslim in general] and many of these evils are not related to Zionism nor imperialism.

While humanity must resolve whatever evils and violence, Muslims need to recognize and acknowledge that Islam itself is partly to be blamed for inspiring evils and violence committed by SOME [evil and good] Muslims.
Practically, it is as I have told you.

Moreover, see the atheists here in this forum and elsewhere and how do they attack the Islam and the Quran and the Prophet and even God also; how do they attack (the ideology of course); if they have power, what will they do?
The Quran like the rest of the heavenly books; it invites people by peaceful manner, but if Muslims are attacked! and their countries are occupied, and their sons are oppressed! and killed! and the program of the West intends to intrude the Muslim culture and way of life, what is this?

On the other hand, if the power is by the hand of Christians, Jews, Atheists, and idolaters, what will they do to the culture of Muslims, what will they do to the mosques, what will they do to the growing and discipline and school programs? Will they encourage the moral corruption and the nakedness of women and the freedom to do every lewdness and adultery and wine drinking and spreading of the atheism ... etc.

This is not accepted by God; the upper hand should be by the hand of Muslims, and the religion of God should supersede.
or else the opposite camp will supervene and the opposite will be there.

Quran 22: 40
{And had it not been for that God restrains people: some men by means of others d, cloisters [of Christians, which are on mountains and in the rural areas], and churches and prayers [would have been forsaken] and [the Muslim places of worship: the] mosques Ė wherein God's name is mentioned much [in the times of the five prayers every day] would have been destroyed e. But God will surely help those who help His [cause]; surely God is Most Powerful, All-Mighty.}
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d It means: Had it not that God set the believers on the disbelievers and they killed and terminated them, the disbelief would have prevailed, the prayers and Godís worship forsaken, and the mosques and the places of worship would have been destroyed, as in the following sentence in the aya.
e The Jewish places of worship are called the Keniset or the Synagogue, while Sabaeans call them: Mandi.

The interpretation is according to Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.
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