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Old 08-21-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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in the sky liberates no one.

The West has a lot to answer for: the overthrow of an elected government in Iran in the 50s, the more recent calamitous invasion of Iraq etc, but it seems that Muslims are invariably their own worst enemies. Being stuck in the myths of the 7th century, it's not particularly surprising.
The atheism will not save Muslims neither will the false religion of the enthusiasm about the imams and sheikhs; what will save Muslims and give them their dignity and glory is to follow the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' without associate or equal, and to follow the true explanation of the Quran.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/index.htm#...interpretation


In fact what Muslim countries suffer now, the setting of the Zionists and imperialists on them to occupy their countries and to kill them (to eradicate millions of them till now) and to destroy everything in their countries ... all this is because they wrong each other and transgress on each other; and therefore, they have fallen in the misguidance (of the atheism and of the enthusiasm about imams and sheikhs), which led that God set on them their enemies.

Hour with Ghosts

 
Old 08-21-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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The atheism will not save Muslims neither will the false religion of the enthusiasm about the imams and sheikhs; what will save Muslims and give them their dignity and glory is to follow the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' without associate or equal, and to follow the true explanation of the Quran.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/index.htm#...interpretation


In fact what Muslim countries suffer now, the setting of the Zionists and imperialists on them to occupy their countries and to kill them (to eradicate millions of them till now) and to destroy everything in their countries ... all this is because they wrong each other and transgress on each other; and therefore, they have fallen in the misguidance (of the atheism and of the enthusiasm about imams and sheikhs), which led that God set on them their enemies.

Hour with Ghosts
All essentially part of the same my Islam is better than your Islam which perpetually goes around, and cause schisms, strife, and the general morass. And you can throw in superstition.

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Old 08-21-2015, 04:33 PM
 
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Same old ... (kudos to the guys who took this idiot down)

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Old 08-21-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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Same old ... (kudos to the guys who took this idiot down)

France train shooting: Americans overpower gunman - BBC News
This will keep going all over the world and can only get more worse until the majority and relevant authorities recognized the critical root cause, i.e. Islam itself [in part].
 
Old 08-22-2015, 12:19 AM
 
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Old 08-22-2015, 02:58 PM
 
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This will keep going all over the world and can only get more worse until the majority and relevant authorities recognized the critical root cause, i.e. Islam itself [in part].
Who then cast the two hydrogen nuclear bombs on the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Weren't they Christians?
And who kidnapped the Africans from their families and enslaved them to work in the cotton farms of America?
And who did the two world wars, in the last one of which more than 50 millions were killed?
And who eradicated almost an entire human race: Red Indians?

And you have tongues to speak, out of your rancor, against Muslims and the Islam ?
 
Old 08-22-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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Who then cast the two hydrogen nuclear bombs on the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

The U.S. Don't attack us.

Weren't they Christians?
Yes. Don't attack us.

And who kidnapped the Africans from their families and enslaved them to work in the cotton farms of America?

Mostly other Africans.

And who did the two world wars, in the last one of which more than 50 millions were killed?

I'll admit the U.S. has had a possibly misguided sense of duty since we have the resources to help other countries against the likes of Hitler and other monsters.

And who eradicated almost an entire human race: Red Indians?

We're still here.

And you have tongues to speak, out of your rancor, against Muslims and the Islam ?

Yes.
My answers in green.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 05:41 PM
 
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"Who then cast the two hydrogen nuclear bombs on the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? "

This is an interesting issue. We have several Japanese friends and they all thank us for dropping the bomb. I bet you have no idea why.

BECAUSE IT ENDED THE WAR!

Japan's rulers were determined to fight to the last man. Like Muhammed, they were determined to attack no matter the cost to themselves. That we dropped the bombs actually saved many lives. Japanese lives and American lives and lives of our allies.

Japan initiated the force, which puts them on the side of wrong. We retaliated. Dropping those bombs saved many lives.

If the Atomic Bomb Had Not Been Used - The Atlantic

This is Muhammed doing wrong:

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

Can you say that Muhammed was wrong to attack a village and slaughter people?
 
Old 08-22-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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"And who kidnapped the Africans from their families and enslaved them to work in the cotton farms of America? "

Evil people. Slavery is evil.

We know that Muhammed owned and traded slaves.

Can you say that Muhammed was evil for owning and trading slaves?

Also, Muslims lead the world in slave trade.

"The number of people enslaved by Muslims has been a hotly debated topic, especially when the millions of Africans forced from their homelands are considered.
Some historians estimate that between A.D. 650 and 1900, 10 to 20 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders. Others believe over 20 million enslaved Africans alone had been delivered through the trans-Sahara route alone to the Islamic world.

Dr. John Alembellah Azumah in his 2001 book, The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa estimates that over 80 million Black people more died en route.

The Arab slave trade typically dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves. Black boys between the age of 8 and 12 had their scrotums and penises completely amputated to prevent them from reproducing. About six of every 10 boys bled to death during the procedure, according to some sources, but the high price brought by eunuchs on the market made the practice profitable.

Also: Arab Slave Trade Inspired Arab Racism Toward Blacks.....Arab Enslavers Targeted Women For Rape.....Arab Slave Trade Ushered in The European Slave Trade.....The Arab Slave Trade Sparked One of The Largest Slave Rebellions in History.....Arab Enslavers Avoided Teaching Islam to Blacks to Justify Enslaving Them.....The Arab slave trade was the longest yet least discussed of the two major slave trades......Arab Slave Trade Not Limited To Africa or Skin Color

10 Facts About The Arab Enslavement Of Black People Not Taught In Schools - Atlanta Blackstar

Let's remember that Muhammed was into making captive women his slaves after slaughtering their sons and fathers and husbands. And allah encouraged slavery and rape of slaves and captive women.
 
Old 08-22-2015, 08:24 PM
 
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1. Who then cast the two hydrogen nuclear bombs on the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
2. Weren't they Christians?
3. And who kidnapped the Africans from their families and enslaved them to work in the cotton farms of America?
4. And who did the two world wars, in the last one of which more than 50 millions were killed?
5. And who eradicated almost an entire human race: Red Indians?

And you have tongues to speak, out of your rancor, against Muslims and the Islam ?
I say the above view are based on very low level of rational and wise thinking.

First you are getting off topic.
All evils must be addressed, i.e. secular and religion-related evils.

Re 2, they are not Christians nor is the decision to bomb based on Christian doctrines.
Re evils in 1, 3-4, they have been addressed by humanity and they have been eliminated or preventive steps are being taken to address the problems. Such evil can be dealt within the Political or Philosophy section of the forum not here.

Reminder: You are going off topic.

Back to topic:
Whilst the above root causes has been eliminated and preventing step are taken, what we have is the elements evil laden elements [the proximate root cause] that stirred SOME Muslims still exists in the same Quran that all Muslims adopt as core to their religion.
If we do not deal with these proximate root causes, terrible Islamic related evils [this OP] will continue to be committed by SOME Muslims all over the world.

IMO, you need to improve your thinking and be more objective.
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