U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Islam
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-17-2015, 01:18 PM
 
6,319 posts, read 5,718,804 times
Reputation: 11933

Advertisements

OP needs to check out the Christian Crusades....

Islam isn't "violent" as such, its just 400 years behind the rest of the world.

 
Old 09-17-2015, 01:23 PM
 
137 posts, read 94,597 times
Reputation: 257
You living under a cave? The most violent religion is Christianity and Judaism. Dumb Americans fall for "false flag attacks" to be blamed on Islam. Hitler did it to the Jews. And now we're doing it Muslims.

Christian Atrocities | Victims of Christianity | Catholic Church Inquisition | Crusades

Also, look at Muslim countries BEFORE we invaded. Such as Iraq, Libya etc.

Look at current countries that protects it's border terrorists attacks from Israel and the USA like Iran, Malaysia and Indonesia. They have a majority Islamic population.

Those 3 countries are SAFER to live than Israel and the US.
 
Old 09-17-2015, 01:34 PM
bg7
 
7,697 posts, read 8,167,217 times
Reputation: 15093
Quote:
Originally Posted by cindersslipper View Post
OP needs to check out the Christian Crusades....

Islam isn't "violent" as such, its just 400 years behind the rest of the world.

Christianity and Islam are just ideologies. Like veganism, like communism. (With similar self-serving beliefs and sense of importance and correctness). They are what their adherents make them. This changes over time. Yes Christianity was a hell of an awful religion for the world back in the day, and now, at least in the US its main crimes are less harmful (though still silly, mean and petty). Who knows what they will be like in a decade or two. Islam is as it is practiced, not some imaginary ideal. The percentage of extremists (ie people that willfully violate universal human rights based on a set of non-negotiable "truths" they believe) is clearly way higher than in the other current main religions like Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity. Whether this will continue, who knows. But currently, its a blight on humanity. The sooner common sense and secular humanism respecting universal human rights becomes prevalent, the better for humanity (and the world itself quite frankly).

But the uncomfortable-ness of humans with the actual truth (we just don't actually know whether a god, or gods, exist or not) leads most humans to settle for a black and white answer. Which means one religion or another.

Humanity's progress is slow. Europe has made a lot of progress as to civilization and human rights since WWII (and its no coincidence that religion declined in Europe since WWII n and agnosticism and secular humanism have been on the rise). Most theocracies are just awful places to live and are generally a mess.
 
Old 09-17-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: San Jose
2,112 posts, read 642,434 times
Reputation: 2256
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
In the 1940s, the Muslims wee asking "Why is Christianity so violent?"

During the first half of the 20th century, virtually the entire Muslim world was occupied by European Christians with guns, claiming it all for themselves. The Muslims quietly tolerated it, in accordance with their culture's doctrine of peaceful hospitality and generosity.
Actually most Muslim countries were colonized by another Muslim country, the Ottoman Empire.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
In most Muslim countries today,the crime rate is ridiculously low, they live at peace with each other.
This has got to be a joke.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
Please, before posting to threads like this, go to a Muslim county (there are a couple dozen to choose from, from Senegal to Indonesia), spend a week or so doing what interests you as a traveler, and then comment on this topic from the standpoint of a person who has seen or experienced "Muslim violence" first hand.
They are barbaric and backward in every facet of life. Even Lebanon which is suppose to be the real modern and hip of the bunch still has things like this happening:

Angry mob of Lebanese villagers lynch murder suspect Mohammed Msallem | Daily Mail Online

My family is Lebanese and we didn't do this sort of thing in the 60's and 70's. The entire region is becoming more and more radicalized and its destroying everything.
 
Old 09-17-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: San Jose
2,112 posts, read 642,434 times
Reputation: 2256
I can't believe people have the audacity to compare the violence of Christianity with violence of Islam. I'm an atheist and even think its idiotic beyond comprehension. People always bring up the Inquisition and the Crusades.

The Inquisition was in the 12th century and the last Crusade was in the 13th century. That is 700 - 800 years ago. This is what Islam has done in the last 30 days.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth
 
Old 09-17-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
42,663 posts, read 74,251,141 times
Reputation: 36087
Quote:
Originally Posted by KenFresno View Post
Actually most Muslim countries were colonized by another Muslim country, the Ottoman Empire.



This has got to be a joke.



They are barbaric and backward in every facet of life. Even Lebanon which is suppose to be the real modern and hip of the bunch still has things like this happening:

Angry mob of Lebanese villagers lynch murder suspect Mohammed Msallem | Daily Mail Online

My family is Lebanese and we didn't do this sort of thing in the 60's and 70's. The entire region is becoming more and more radicalized and its destroying everything.
They weren't "colonized" by the Ottoman empire,they were simply unified, the way "Christian countries" were in the Holy Roman Empire at about the same time. That's how power regional was organized in those under religious authority in those days. There is no historical evidence that the Ottoman Empire was more warlike or violent than the Holy Roman Empire.

Show us some statistical evidence that the "joke" is not an accurate reflection. There are a couuple of Muslim coungries with high civiian crime rates, like Pakistan, but for the most part, civilian criminal activity is very much less in Muslim countries, and the streets are safe to walk at night. Here, there are 14 Muslim countries with lower crime rates than the USA:
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

Oh, God,please, please, please do not take one anecdotal story out of the tabloid media and present it as reflecting the way of life of a billion people. Try to retain a scrap of dignity and don't insult us.

If Lebanese didn't do such things in the 60s and 70s, why do you call their entire culture "violent"? Weren't they Muslim then? Things in the Middle East got "more radicalized" because of urbanization, western influence by globalization, and the Israeli problem, not because the people were latently and fundamentally violent by centuries of Muslim culture. You do know, don't you, that Lebanon is only 54% Muslim?

Last edited by jtur88; 09-17-2015 at 03:16 PM..
 
Old 09-17-2015, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
15,511 posts, read 13,282,205 times
Reputation: 7407
A more fair question is "Why are some people so violent?"

Islam is not an entity it is the action of Submitting to God(swt) There are at least 1.5 billion people that claim to perform Islam to the best of our ability and there are pobably the same number of opinions as to how we should do such.

In today's world there are many very angry people. Some are committing atrocities and some of those claim to be be doing Islam. Some more are assumed to be Muslim because the are from the Mideast.

Something to notice, when a person who claims to be Muslims commits an atrocity, the world shouts it is because he is Muslim When a non-Muslim commits an atrocity the world shouts it is because he is evil.

Each person needs to be seen as an individual and not pigeon holed as a member of a race, nationality or religion.

No individual or even group of people speaks for or on behalf of all adherents of a Religion.
__________________
When posting as a MOD my posts will be in red

No advertising, no copyrighted material, no personal attacks


MODERATOR OF: Buddhism: Judaism: Paganism:

When in doubt read the TOS MOD LIST FAQ's
 
Old 09-17-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
2,371 posts, read 1,502,360 times
Reputation: 3870
Christianity has a terrible track record, the good news is that in recent years - to some extent - it's become 'secularized'. When it's been completely discarded, better still. The problem with Islam is that latterly it's become ever more strident (stuck in the 7th century). I've got no time for any religions, but the three desert cults are the worst of all, and reinforce one another.
 
Old 09-17-2015, 05:08 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
2,371 posts, read 1,502,360 times
Reputation: 3870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodrow LI View Post
A more fair question is "Why are some people so violent?"

Islam is not an entity it is the action of Submitting to God(swt) There are at least 1.5 billion people that claim to perform Islam to the best of our ability and there are pobably the same number of opinions as to how we should do such.

In today's world there are many very angry people. Some are committing atrocities and some of those claim to be be doing Islam. Some more are assumed to be Muslim because the are from the Mideast.

Something to notice, when a person who claims to be Muslims commits an atrocity, the world shouts it is because he is Muslim When a non-Muslim commits an atrocity the world shouts it is because he is evil.

Each person needs to be seen as an individual and not pigeon holed as a member of a race, nationality or religion.

No individual or even group of people speaks for or on behalf of all adherents of a Religion.
Why then no suicide bombings in the name of Agnosticism, or Druidism, or Quakerism (perhaps they've happened and I've missed them)? I think it's nave or disingenuous to suggest that there may not be elements of Islam that contribute to bellicosity and violence.
 
Old 09-17-2015, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
15,511 posts, read 13,282,205 times
Reputation: 7407
Quote:
Originally Posted by modernist1 View Post
Why then no suicide bombings in the name of Agnosticism, or Druidism, or Quakerism (perhaps they've happened and I've missed them)? I think it's nave or disingenuous to suggest that there may not be elements of Islam that contribute to bellicosity and violence.
People prone to violence will find a way to justify it.

You may hav noticed that the people who are sending the suicide bombers out, never become suicide bomers them self. They are evil people brain washing young minds.

I person with even a rudimentary knowledge of Islam is aware that Harming Innocent people, and suicide by one's own free will are acts that can result in eternal hellfire, it is not martyrdom.

Islam is very individual. Muslims are not clones to eachother and since most Muslims learn Islam either from their Mothers or on their own you will find a very large variation in our individual beliefs.

there is no central Islamic teaching that all 1.5 billion of us follow.
__________________
When posting as a MOD my posts will be in red

No advertising, no copyrighted material, no personal attacks


MODERATOR OF: Buddhism: Judaism: Paganism:

When in doubt read the TOS MOD LIST FAQ's
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Islam
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top