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Old 02-11-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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Fox news just gave the triple shooting a few seconds of air time. They said it was originaly thought to be a hate crime targeting muslims but now they say that it was an ongoing dispute over a parking space.

But lets just say he did target them because they were muslim. That doesn't mean it was motivated by religion. Actually the opposite of that as the perpetrator had none. He wasn't following a religious doctrine that tells him to kill to spread his religion. It would be a hate crime but not driven by religion.

 
Old 02-11-2015, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Fox news just gave the triple shooting a few seconds of air time. They said it was originaly thought to be a hate crime targeting muslims but now they say that it was an ongoing dispute over a parking space.

But lets just say he did target them because they were muslim. That doesn't mean it was motivated by religion. Actually the opposite of that as the perpetrator had none. He wasn't following a religious doctrine that tells him to kill to spread his religion. It would be a hate crime but not driven by religion.
You are going by the assumption there is some sort of Religious Doctrine when Muslims kill. What all of these Muslim terrorists have in common is they joined a radical organization.

I do not think you will find a terrorist that was not connected to ISIS, al-Qaida or Taliban. (I should clarify there are numerous groups called al-Qaida and Taliban-Not all being terrorists)

There are very many groups that use the Qur'an and have never had any terrorists.
As to terrorists and terrorist organizations, it is a question of which came first "The chicken of the egg?"

Do wannabee terrorists seek out to join Terrorists groups?
or
Do Terrorist organizations create terrorists?

what I keep seeing is wannabees seeking to join terrorist groups.

Much like in my age group (WW2 era kids) us kids played soldier and looked forward to the day we could join the Military.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Australia
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This is something that has been misused and abused by Christians forever ago. They took 3000 year old acts of violence in the Old Testament and use those to justify horrible atrocities. There are still small examples from time to time, but such justification of extreme brutality has become a huge taboo for modern Christianity. For example, Catholics aren't looking back at the Spanish Inquisition with pride as a model for future behavior. Instead, all the brutality of the Inquisitions are remembered by Catholics with shame and loathing. The brutality described in the Old Testament conquest of Canaan is no longer used to excuse brutality either. [/b]
True, but the question remains, why haven't Christians dumped the Old Testament?
 
Old 02-11-2015, 11:05 PM
 
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True, but the question remains, why haven't Christians dumped the Old Testament?
That is a question best asked in the Christian forum
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Old 02-12-2015, 03:32 AM
 
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Islam does not have a monopoly on violence

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Islam doesn't. But as the facts come out it was all about a parking situation. The only one to try to make a connection to Islamiphobia is the parent of one of those kids. It's been pretty well covered in the US (unlike what your link portrayed) that it had nothing to do with them being Muslims. International media is trying to spin it as religion hate related, but there are no facts to hold it up.
 
Old 02-12-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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True, but the question remains, why haven't Christians dumped the Old Testament?
The question remains, why haven't people dumped religion?
 
Old 02-12-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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The question remains, why haven't people dumped religion?
An Atheist can not believe, because they have found nothing to convince them God(swt) exists. It is understandable, it is not a choice it is going by what one has found or not found. It is not because they been brainwashed by scientists or anyone else.

The same can be said of Theists. A Theist has found reason to believe. It is not a choice. A person will believe that which they have found to be true. It is not because they been brain-washed by religious clerics.

A theist does not follow a religion by choice, they may follow a specific one by choice, but they will follow some form of worship, because they have reason to believe a Diety exists.
An exception will be if they believe the Diety has no interest in what he created.

Just my personal observation and opinion.
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Old 02-12-2015, 09:56 PM
 
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Mad World NewsEx-Muslim Imam Pens Open Letter, Giving Obama A History Lesson About Islam

Very interesting prospective on Islam

"ISIS is animated entirely by Islam. The manner in which they kill – prescribed and outlined in the Koran. The way they make war – prescribed and outlined in the Koran. The way they treat prisoners – also prescribed and outlined in the Koran."

"You see, the problem isn’t a “radical interpretation of Islam,” the problem is the belief in Islam that Mohammed was the “perfect man,” and as such, worthy of emulation in all things.

Until Islam can recognize that their “perfect man” wasn’t perfect, and both did and ordered horrible things to be done – certainly things that have no place in a modern world – then there will always be an ISIS. There will always be those who dedicate their lives to imitating the man who spawned the greatest killing machine in known history…Islam."
 
Old 02-12-2015, 10:17 PM
 
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Mad World NewsEx-Muslim Imam Pens Open Letter, Giving Obama A History Lesson About Islam

Very interesting prospective on Islam

"ISIS is animated entirely by Islam. The manner in which they kill – prescribed and outlined in the Koran. The way they make war – prescribed and outlined in the Koran. The way they treat prisoners – also prescribed and outlined in the Koran."

"You see, the problem isn’t a “radical interpretation of Islam,” the problem is the belief in Islam that Mohammed was the “perfect man,” and as such, worthy of emulation in all things.

Until Islam can recognize that their “perfect man” wasn’t perfect, and both did and ordered horrible things to be done – certainly things that have no place in a modern world – then there will always be an ISIS. There will always be those who dedicate their lives to imitating the man who spawned the greatest killing machine in known history…Islam."
the Qur'an is not about Muhammad(saaws) and was not written by him.

As for ISIS
The Qur'an is very specific that no one is to kill by fire.

Women, Children, The disabled, the elderly and religious clergy are not to be harmed in war
prisoners are not to be mistreated and must be given means to gain their freedom.

ISIS is going against the Qur'an in many areas.

An Imam is not an authority on Islam. there are no requirements to be an Imam every Muslim can and will serve as an Imam. An Imam has one duty and just one duty. To lead the required prayers. They are not to preach, they are not to teach, they are not to give commentaries or interpretations of the Qur'an.

If one is doing such, they are over stepping the role of Imam and a Muslim should not follow him in prayer. Many Imams do try to copy Christian preachers with sermons etc. You may notice most Muslim will simply gather outside the Mosque and not go in and listen to the nonsense of the so called Imam.
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Old 02-25-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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In excess of a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists.

Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists. That is far too many - Telegraph
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