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Old 01-20-2015, 05:42 PM
 
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Examining the crucial question that needs to be addressed which is whether the God presented in the Quran is indeed the same God revealed in the Holy Bible. The Quran alleges that the God of Islam, Allah, is indeed the God of Abraham and hence the God of Scripture, Yahweh Elohim. But is this the case?
Are we to assume that just because the Quran states that Allah is Yahweh of the Bible that both Jews and Christians are obligated to believe this to be true? Or do we examine the nature and attributes of Allah in order to compare them with the biblical portrait of Yahweh to find if this is the case?
This process of examination is essential since our objective is to discover the true nature of God, a process whose outcome entails eternal consequences in regard to man's future destiny in the afterlife. After all, if Allah is the God of Abraham then Jews and Christians are wrong for not embracing Islam. But if Allah is not Yahweh, then Muslims are not worshiping the same God only with a different name.
We will examine certain qualities of Allah as stated in the Quran and briefly compare them to Yahweh and see where the evidence leads us. The reason why we are comparing Allah to Yahweh as opposed to contrasting Yahweh to the quranic portrait of Allah, using the Quran as the standard, is due to the fact that it is Islam that claims to worship the same God of the Holy Bible. Thus, the burden of proof rests upon the Muslims to defend this contention since they believe Allah is the same as Yahweh.
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Old 01-20-2015, 08:09 PM
 
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No.

Allah is the god of Muhammad, who he beat up anyone who wouldn't worship. He is not the God of the universe. Speaking frankly, God is not YHWH either, God is God.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:00 AM
 
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Allah is the creator
Allah is the only god
Allah is the god of Moses and Jesus peace be upon them
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:53 AM
 
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Yes
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:24 PM
 
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First off all Yahweh is not used in Islam nor Judaism. Allah is a contraction of two words that have the same Aramaic roots that the Torah came from. Thus if go further back than 3400 years ago, then both are the same word for the same g-d.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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First off all Yahweh is not used in Islam nor Judaism. Allah is a contraction of two words that have the same Aramaic roots that the Torah came from. Thus if go further back than 3400 years ago, then both are the same word for the same g-d.
Language does little to stand on. I ask for the insightful truth to connect the two if possible. So far I have been given no evidence in this forum as of yet.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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Allah is the creator
Allah is the only god
Allah is the god of Moses and Jesus peace be upon them
The God of Moses and of Jesus. Glad you brought these two into the picture.
Moses a Prophet of God lead the people out of Egypt and to Mount Sinai This story should be well known and hope all Muslims know it being they worship the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus.
God gave Moses the Law ten commands written by the finger of God.
Then Moses later was given the temple design and the rites to be practiced for atonement of Sin. Which Moses said the ritual is a shadow of things to come.
The priest were to even were a specific attire for the ritual. 12 stones on a brestplate 2 on the shoulders. And so on.
The first 5 books of Moses are the Torah the 5 pillars of Judaism.
How does the Koran differentiate?
How does Islam atone for Sin?
If the Koran claims repent then what good is the Sacrifice and for what reason was it even given by God to Moses. Mohammed is teaching to forget the ritual for what reason.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:47 PM
 
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Examining the crucial question that needs to be addressed which is whether the God presented in the Quran is indeed the same God revealed in the Holy Bible. The Quran alleges that the God of Islam, Allah, is indeed the God of Abraham and hence the God of Scripture, Yahweh Elohim. But is this the case?
Are we to assume that just because the Quran states that Allah is Yahweh of the Bible that both Jews and Christians are obligated to believe this to be true? Or do we examine the nature and attributes of Allah in order to compare them with the biblical portrait of Yahweh to find if this is the case?
Before you embark on this, I challenge you to go to the Judaism forum an ask flipflop to undertake the same examination about Hashem as presented in the Tanakh and the Christian God as presented in the New Testament. I think if you can keep from reading the Tanakh though your own biases you will see that the Christian claim to the god of Abraham is as tenuous as the Muslim claim to Jesus.

This is a prime example of digging at a speck in someone else's eye...

-NoCapo
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:08 PM
 
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Before you embark on this, I challenge you to go to the Judaism forum an ask flipflop to undertake the same examination about Hashem as presented in the Tanakh and the Christian God as presented in the New Testament. I think if you can keep from reading the Tanakh though your own biases you will see that the Christian claim to the god of Abraham is as tenuous as the Muslim claim to Jesus.

This is a prime example of digging at a speck in someone else's eye...

-NoCapo
One step at a time. For now we are on Moses. The ritual for atonement of sin.
Thankyou for the post. Tanakh was Fullfilled by Jesus.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:16 PM
 
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Exodus 28 King James Version (KJV)

28 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
2 And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
6 And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work.
7 It shall have the two shoulderpieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together.
8 And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.
9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:
10 Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.
11 With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.
12 And thou shalt put the two stones upon the shoulders of the ephod for stones of memorial unto the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before the Lord upon his two shoulders for a memorial.
13 And thou shalt make ouches of gold;
14 And two chains of pure gold at the ends; of wreathen work shalt thou make them, and fasten the wreathen chains to the ouches.
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.
22 And thou shalt make upon the breastplate chains at the ends of wreathen work of pure gold.
23 And thou shalt make upon the breastplate two rings of gold, and shalt put the two rings on the two ends of the breastplate.
24 And thou shalt put the two wreathen chains of gold in the two rings which are on the ends of the breastplate.
25 And the other two ends of the two wreathen chains thou shalt fasten in the two ouches, and put them on the shoulderpieces of the ephod before it.
26 And thou shalt make two rings of gold, and thou shalt put them upon the two ends of the breastplate in the border thereof, which is in the side of the ephod inward.
27 And two other rings of gold thou shalt make, and shalt put them on the two sides of the ephod underneath, toward the forepart thereof, over against the other coupling thereof, above the curious girdle of the ephod.
28 And they shall bind the breastplate by the rings thereof unto the rings of the ephod with a lace of blue, that it may be above the curious girdle of the ephod, and that the breastplate be not loosed from the ephod.
29 And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the Lord continually.
30 And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the Lord: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the Lord continually.
31 And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all of blue.
32 And there shall be an hole in the top of it, in the midst thereof: it shall have a binding of woven work round about the hole of it, as it were the hole of an habergeon, that it be not rent.
33 And beneath upon the hem of it thou shalt make pomegranates of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, round about the hem thereof; and bells of gold between them round about:
34 A golden bell and a pomegranate, a golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the hem of the robe round about.
35 And it shall be upon Aaron to minister: and his sound shall be heard when he goeth in unto the holy place before the Lord, and when he cometh out, that he die not.
36 And thou shalt make a plate of pure gold, and grave upon it, like the engravings of a signet, Holiness To The Lord.
37 And thou shalt put it on a blue lace, that it may be upon the mitre; upon the forefront of the mitre it shall be.
38 And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the Lord.
39 And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen, and thou shalt make the mitre of fine linen, and thou shalt make the girdle of needlework.
40 And for Aaron's sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty.
41 And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:
43 And they shall be upon Aaron, and upon his sons, when they come in unto the tabernacle of the congregation, or when they come near unto the altar to minister in the holy place; that they bear not iniquity, and die: it shall be a statute for ever unto him and his seed after him.
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