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Old 11-23-2010, 02:18 PM
 
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It doesn't matter if your god ordered it or not,

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it is not an unusual occurrence among Muslims...


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It boils down to how Islam devalues women as nothing more than chattel.
Amazing
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Old 11-23-2010, 02:26 PM
 
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[quote=Truth light;16761116]I would be extremely happy if anyone trying hard to deceive lay people, would prove that God ordered his slaves Moderator cut: deleted culture bred by Islam that even allows its people to consider such acts as part of a civilized society. The culture is not civilized and Islam and its Moderator cut: deleted Sharia is the prime cause of it.

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Old 11-23-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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I am of the opinion that any religious belief, whether be Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, that relegates more than half of its congregation or followers to that of third class or worse cannot be a modern alternative for any religion. If Islam wishes to be recognized as a legitimate religion throughout the rest of the world, it must first learn to treat all of its members fairly and equally.
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Old 11-23-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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So fatwas on apostates and executing/imprisoning non muslims is a modern alternative? I'd have to disagree. Islamic countries are still stuck in the year 1000 where torturing and murdering infidels is considered a moral act. Not to mention things like the Danish cartoonist whom recieved many death threats from muslims whom were offended by his depictions of Muhammed. Islam is one of the most barbaric religions on the planet.
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Old 11-24-2010, 01:58 AM
 
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Have you ever read about Islam?Islam means peice.And if u r talking about the killing,What about what Americans did to the Native Indeans.If u r talking about women freedom,is it by using women in porn?Do u call that freedom?Islam treats women as something precious not cheap.The other question is that why the rape rate in America is more than it is in the Muslim countries.
Moreover,if u wanna know if Muslim women are oppressed or not,ask Muslim women yourself and don't listen to the Media.MAake your own mind and don't be brainwashed.Look at these women and see for yourself why these women convert to Islam,if they are oppressed as u say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwa1-...eature=related

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Old 11-24-2010, 02:12 AM
 
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Old 11-24-2010, 03:25 AM
 
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Have you ever read about Islam?Islam means peice.
I am more impressed by actions than propaganda. Islam is only peaceful when it is getting its own way. As soon as it is offended it reverts to violence as the preferred resort. I don't deny that the West has some blame but this whole thing is about the absurd overreaction by Bin Laden about american troops helping Saudi troops. What sort of idiotic creed starts an indisrciminate bombing capaign because US soldiers dared to set foot on Saudi soil. In the name of reason let the sensible muslim majority root out these jihaddist idiots and remove them and then there will be a chance of peace.

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And if u r talking about the killing,What about what Americans did to the Native Indeans.
A 'you too' argument. Nobody had clean hands in the aggression department - especially Islam. It thrived on conquest.

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If u r talking about women freedom,is it by using women in porn?Do u call that freedom?Islam treats women as something precious not cheap.
Islam treats women as something to be kept as the posessions of men. If it insists they dress up up in black sacks as though womens' beauty was something shameful, it is not because it values them but because it wants to control them. You think women are not made prostitutes in Muslim countries? It happens and it happens a lot.

I don't agree with women being pushed into porn or prostitution but neither do I agree with preventing them in doing so if that is their choice. Neither do I agree with preventing them from modelling or singing on stage or participating in sports ar many other things which Islam would prevent them from doing. That is not freedom. If Islam prevents women doing porn, acting or dancing it is not because it regards them as precious but because it wants to control them. It is not because it cares tuppence about what women want but because of what their religion says they should do. That is NOT freedom.

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The other question is that why the rape rate in America is more than it is in the Muslim countries.
It is because rape is reported in America. You think rape doesn't go on in muslim countries? If it becomes known the woman is treated as the guilty party.

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Moreover,if u wanna know if Muslim women are oppressed or not,ask Muslim women yourself and don't listen to the Media.MAake your own mind and don't be brainwashed.Look at these women and see for yourself why these women convert to Islam,if they are oppressed as u say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwa1-...eature=related
As I remarked earlier. Let those women who say how wonderful it is in Islam try to go against the current and see what happens. But it was pointed out that we already know what happens.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo6uRwwnFH0

Islam is not a viable alternative for the modern world. It is a huge step backwards into a tribal age and is even worse now in that it is not a preserver of learning or an advancer of science as it was in the days when Christianity was leading its Jihad against the Islamic world. It is now so fanatical as to make Christian fundamentalists look positively reasonable.
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Old 11-24-2010, 03:55 AM
 
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When a muslim woman wear a vale,she wear that because God asked her to do so not her husband or her father.Islam means someone submits himself or herself to God.That means whatever God says they do.And some people just don't wanna do that which is gonna affect only them.Moreover,Islam is a law of life.And when u were born,did u have a choice and freedom to say u want to be born.Of couse,the answer is no.And if u think about life there has to be a reason for the creation.And the reason is to worship Allah alone without any patrner.Moreover,When we think about our loved ones who died and we put them into the grave,we start to think what is happening there inside the grave.Everybody will be judjed for whatever they have done in life.They might have the freedom to choose not to follow What Allah say,but they will be judjed whether they like it or not.And people can't scape death.As it is mintioned in Rainn websitehttp://www.rainn.org/statistics
  • 1 in 6 women and 1 in 33 men will be a victim of sexual assault in their lifetime.
  • College age women are 4 times more likely to be sexually assaulted.
Learn more victim statistics
Sexual Assault Numbers
  • In 2007, there were 248,300 victims of sexual assault.
  • Every 2 minutes, someone in the U.S. is sexually assaulted
.Forunately,we don't see this in Muslim countries whose women wear a vale to cover themselves.
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:01 AM
 
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Have you ever read about Islam?Islam means peice.And if u r talking about the killing,What about what Americans did to the Native Indeans.
No islam means submission.

It is a common tactic for islamic apologist, to basically say "hey your ancestors killed millions why can't we".

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If u r talking about women freedom,is it by using women in porn?Do u call that freedom?Islam treats women as something precious not cheap.The other question is that why the rape rate in America is more than it is in the Muslim countries.
It's a common tactic for islamic apologist to look at the choices these women make, then claim that they are not free, because they decided to get paid to do something....

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Moreover,if u wanna know if Muslim women are oppressed or not,ask Muslim women yourself and don't listen to the Media.MAake your own mind and don't be brainwashed.Look at these women and see for yourself why these women convert to Islam,if they are oppressed as u say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwa1-...eature=related
Women, and non muslims do not have equal rights in islam.

The fact remains.

The Qur'an was uttered by a single man and focuses on imperatives.

Internal contradictions are resolved by the science of Naskh: latter verses abrogate earlier verses with which they conflict.

The Qur'an is not an a la carte menu, it is all or nothing; take it or leave it.
The message is clear, direct and immutable.

Islam's Mercenary Mission: Global imposition of Islamic doctrine & practice is a religious duty.

Islam encompasses all aspects of society including: belief & ritual worship, economic transactions, contracts, morals & manners, crime & punishment, Democratic/representative forms of government are abominations.

Criticism of Allah, Muhammad and their system is punished by death.

Shari'ah permits: wife beating, honor killing, blood money, an eye for an eye, literally.

Shari'ah mandates: corporal punishment, hand amputation for theft, lashing for drinking & gambling

death for : gays, apostates, adulterers, critics of : Allah, Muhammad, Qur'an, Islam.

Offensive, aggressive and unjust jihad: against: Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians, All other non-Islamic people.

Muslims are allowed to deceive non-Muslims to protect and advance the imposition of Islam. Al-Taqiyya: dissembling, kitman: concealment of material facts.

Muslims quote early, relatively peaceful and more tolerant verses while obscuring the more violent verses that abrogated those early verses.

Peace comes with the completion of global conquest.
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Old 11-24-2010, 04:16 AM
 
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Most of the facts u wrote is just the sujects,if u read more about them you will understand.And find the answer for each one.If I see some bad Christans people,I wouldn't make a conclustion all Christans are bad.And please tell why the percentage of killing and crimes AND rapes in America are way way higher that it is in Muslim countries?Let me give an example about women to make things easier.When someone complain about something that bother me,and he is telling u that is what bothers me,you wouldn't believe him till I say so.Right.Same thing here Others think they are oppressed and they never complain.How come u make such a conclusion that they are oppressed by men even though they never complain.That is only true if u just want it to be like that and make a conclusion about what u think not what they think.
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