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Old 02-11-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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" O mankind! We created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

So if Allah has no Son nor equals, who were the 'we' who created you?
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Old 02-11-2015, 11:01 PM
 
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" O mankind! We created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

So if Allah has no Son nor equals, who were the 'we' who created you?
The easiest explanation is the stand alone word we does not exist in Arabic.
What is being translated as we is an attribute of possession.

The only way it makes sense in English is to use the "Royal We" as used in proclamations from a king or queen
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royal we
n.
The first-person plural pronoun used by a sovereign in formal address to refer to himself or herself.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
we
(wi)

pron.pl., poss. our or ours,
1. nominative plural of I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others, specifically or generally): We have two children. We often take good health for granted.
3. (used in the predicate following a copulative verb): It is we who should thank you.
4. Also called the royal we. (used by a sovereign or other high officials and dignitaries in place of I in formal speech.)
5. Also called the editorial we . (used by editors, writers, etc., to avoid the personal I or to represent a collective viewpoint.)
6. you (used familiarly, often with mild condescension or sarcasm): We know we've been naughty, don't we?
royal we - definition of royal we by The Free Dictionary

In formal proclmations by English Royalty the word I is never Used, We is used instead.

To comprehend خَلَقْنَاكُم properly in English the concept of the Royal We has to be used.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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The easiest explanation is the stand alone word we does not exist in Arabic.
What is being translated as we is an attribute of possession.

The only way it makes sense in English is to use the "Royal We" as used in proclamations from a king or queen


royal we - definition of royal we by The Free Dictionary

In formal proclmations by English Royalty the word I is never Used, We is used instead.

To comprehend خَلَقْنَاكُم properly in English the concept of the Royal We has to be used.
Sura #43
81 Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (But there is no son).

Sura #2
186 And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near;
I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me,
so they should answer My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.


So are these mistranslated?
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Old 02-14-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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Sura #43
81 Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son, then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (But there is no son).
True

Allaah(swt) was telling Muhammad(saaws) that if he had a son, Muhammad(saaws) would be the first to worship him. In other words this was a poetic way of saying he did not have a son.


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Sura #2
186 And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near;
I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me,
so they should answer My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.
Allaah(swt) is saying he is the one who answers prayers and that is what Muhammad(saaws)should tell people.

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So are these mistranslated?
Those are correct translations.
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Old 02-15-2015, 11:31 PM
 
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The Quran uses many literary devices to make its message alive. The Quran refers to God/God's attributes in many different ways....one way is the use of I, We,---- I denotes intimacy, while We denotes Majesty. In other words God is both intimately personal and also transcendent. That is why God can create the whole Universe (or mutliverse---whichever view one takes) and yet, also send a personal message and guidance through the Quran to each and every individual human being......
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