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Old 02-17-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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That is like saying these groups represent Christianity

Lords Resistance Army

National Liberation Front of Tripura

National Socialist Council of Nagaland --- "Nagaland for Christ"

Army of God

Lambs of Christ

Concerned Christians --A Christian group that attempted suicide bombings of Holy sites in Jerusalem
KKK one of the requirements for membership is to be a practicing Christian

Those are just some of the ones that are active today. They all claim to be Christians and that they are the true Christians.

I do not believe they follow Christianity any more than Boko Haram, Al Shabah, ISIS, AL Qaeda, AQMI etc. follow Islam.

Their actions although seldom publicized are often just as horrific as you see among boko haram ISIS etc.
Terrorists are Terrorists and are all the same they might try to hide behind names like Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh---but they follow no religion
We do not see all those groups aligning Muslims on the shores of the sea and beheading them as ISIS did to Egyptians.
Nor do we see those groups bombing he world Trade Center or attempting to kill all Muslims.
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Old 02-17-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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We do not see all those groups aligning Muslims on the shores of the sea and beheading them as ISIS did to Egyptians.
Nor do we see those groups bombing he world Trade Center or attempting to kill all Muslims.
You hit it right, their goal does seem to be to kill all Muslims, either themself or by inciting non-Muslims to kill Muslims.
The 9/11 atrocity was a horrible act that did kill about 3,000 innocent people. But the result of it was over a million Muslims being killed in retaliation. At least half of them being children.
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Old 02-17-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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That is like saying these groups represent Christianity

Lords Resistance Army

National Liberation Front of Tripura

National Socialist Council of Nagaland --- "Nagaland for Christ"

Army of God

Lambs of Christ

Concerned Christians --A Christian group that attempted suicide bombings of Holy sites in Jerusalem
KKK one of the requirements for membership is to be a practicing Christian

Those are just some of the ones that are active today. They all claim to be Christians and that they are the true Christians.

I do not believe they follow Christianity any more than Boko Haram, Al Shabah, ISIS, AL Qaeda, AQMI etc. follow Islam.

Their actions although seldom publicized are often just as horrific as you see among boko haram ISIS etc.
Terrorists are Terrorists and are all the same they might try to hide behind names like Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh---but they follow no religion

It's so hilarious when a Muslim supporter tries to dreg up the KKK as the analog to ISIS.... The KKK's burning crosses in the 1960's was hardly a mass terrorist attack.

KKK is NOT a religious group. There was no requirement to be Christian to join, it was a given that anyone joining KKK would already be Christian. It started in the Bible Belt, Baptist South where EVERYONE was Christian, INCLUDING the black people that the KKK was attacking!

SO there you have the problem with proving that KKK is a Christian organization... All black people in the South at the time were Christian, but do you think they would be allowed in the KKK? NO.......

The KKK is/was a racist hate group. That it's members were also Southern Baptist Christian was incidental to the group's main purpose.

Those other groups you mentioned are unheard of, I'm sure you had to scour the internet pretty hard to find those. So really, the only "Christian Terrorist Group" you could invent was the KKK... Which is only active politically now, and not actually active in the same way that ISIS is active, as in, actively murdering people daily....
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Old 02-17-2015, 07:23 PM
 
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We do not see all those groups aligning Muslims on the shores of the sea and beheading them as ISIS did to Egyptians.
Nor do we see those groups bombing he world Trade Center or attempting to kill all Muslims.

The Egypitans that were killed by ISIS were COPTIC CHRISTIANS. They were NOT Muslims. ISIS is MUSLIM
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Old 02-17-2015, 07:34 PM
 
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Neither I nor any other Muslim I know sees 8:12 as a commandment to harm anyone.
Like all Muslims I know I find love and tolerance to be the common theme throughout the Qur'an. Far more than I ever found in the Bible during my 45+ years as a Christian
This is what I can't understand. Is people who were Christian for years, and then decide to convert to Islam. Why? Haven't you noticed that in Muslim countries they kill Christians all the time? Christians don't kill others simply because they are different. So why on earth would you want to adopt a more violent religion?

Maybe you Woodrow, living in South Dakota or whatever Dakota it is, live in a very small pocket of Islam that behaves peacefully. But if you were living in a Muslim country, you would not enjoy the freedoms that you enjoy in the USA.
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:02 PM
 
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This is what I can't understand. Is people who were Christian for years, and then decide to convert to Islam. Why? Haven't you noticed that in Muslim countries they kill Christians all the time? Christians don't kill others simply because they are different. So why on earth would you want to adopt a more violent religion?

Maybe you Woodrow, living in South Dakota or whatever Dakota it is, live in a very small pocket of Islam that behaves peacefully. But if you were living in a Muslim country, you would not enjoy the freedoms that you enjoy in the USA.
I used to live in Islamic countries, Notably North Africa and the Mideast. As a very open Christian proselytizing Christianity. I am reasonably certain I was never beheaded for being a Christian in Islamic Nations.

Most of my 74+ years were spent as a Christian, except for a 20 year hiatus as an Atheist.
My wife and I are the only Muslims within a 100 mile radius of where I live. Odd world, as a Christian I knew many Muslims now as a Muslim about the only Muslims I have contact with are here on FB
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:31 PM
 
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I used to live in Islamic countries, Notably North Africa and the Mideast. As a very open Christian proselytizing Christianity. I am reasonably certain I was never beheaded for being a Christian in Islamic Nations.

Most of my 74+ years were spent as a Christian, except for a 20 year hiatus as an Atheist.
My wife and I are the only Muslims within a 100 mile radius of where I live. Odd world, as a Christian I knew many Muslims now as a Muslim about the only Muslims I have contact with are here on FB
Interesting... Would you want to be living in Libya or Egypt right now? I'm sure you've seen this, but I'll post anyways: Christian Slaughter in Libya | FrontPage Magazine

I think you were lucky to have gotten out when you did. I know Christians who work in a few of the 'Stans, and life is not safe for them either. Churches are burned regularly, sometimes their church members are harassed or killed. It's not easy to be Christian or Atheist in a Muslim country. It is easy to be any religion in the USA, as long as you don't try to insist on having the law altered for your group. There is greater tolerance in a secular country like ours than in a barbaric Islamic one where ISIS, Al Qaida or the Taliban are allowed to roam freely.
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:57 PM
 
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Interesting... Would you want to be living in Libya or Egypt right now? I'm sure you've seen this, but I'll post anyways: Christian Slaughter in Libya | FrontPage Magazine

I think you were lucky to have gotten out when you did. I know Christians who work in a few of the 'Stans, and life is not safe for them either. Churches are burned regularly, sometimes their church members are harassed or killed. It's not easy to be Christian or Atheist in a Muslim country. It is easy to be any religion in the USA, as long as you don't try to insist on having the law altered for your group. There is greater tolerance in a secular country like ours than in a barbaric Islamic one where ISIS, Al Qaida or the Taliban are allowed to roam freely.

There is no reason to want or need any laws changed. ND does recognize Sharia Civil law. Us Criminal law recognizes the same criminal laws as the Hanafi Madhab of sharia, so no problem there.
Saudi and Iran are not good examples of what Sharia actually is. t
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:57 PM
 
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There is no reason to want or need any laws changed. ND does recognize Sharia Civil law. Us Criminal law recognizes the same criminal laws as the Hanafi Madhab of sharia, so no problem there.
Saudi and Iran are not good examples of what Sharia actually is. t
I think you're quite delusional, and you keep re stating the same things but with no sources for what you're saying. You also refuse to speak to the violence that is happening there right now.


What is sharia law? | Freethought Nation This is not practiced in North Dakoa, nor or any of these practices legal in the United States.

Wanting to convert to Islam after being atheist and Christian is like deciding to live like it's the 1400's again. That just isn't logical or rational, given the other more evolved, more civilized options presented.

Egypt still using anal examinations to detect and imprison 'chronic homosexuals' - Africa - World - The Independent Is that a good example? it's not from Saudi or Iran.
I'm guessing you hate homosexuals too, though. Why else would you adopt the most intolerant religion on the planet?
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:48 PM
 
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Saudi and Iran are not good examples of what Sharia actually is. t

From Saudi Arabia's Constitution:

Article 6
Citizens are to pay allegiance to the King in accordance with the holy Koran and the tradition of the Prophet, in submission and obedience, in times of ease and difficulty, fortune and adversity.

Article 7
Government in Saudi Arabia derives power from the Holy Koran and the Prophet's tradition.

Article 8 [Government Principles]
Government in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is based on the premise of justice, consultation, and equality in accordance with the Islamic Shari'ah.


Source:
ICL - Saudi Arabia - Constitution

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From Iran's Constitution:

Article 1 [Form of Government]
The form of government of Iran is that of an Islamic Republic, endorsed by the people of Iran on the basis of their longstanding belief in the sovereignty of truth and Koranic justice, in the referendum of 29 and 30 March 1979, through the affirmative vote of a majority of 98.2% of eligible voters, held after the victorious Islamic Revolution led by Imam Khumayni.


Article 2 [Foundational Principles]
The Islamic Republic is a system based on belief in:
1) the One God (as stated in the phrase "There is no god except Allah"), His exclusive sovereignty and right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands;
2) Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws;
3) the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man's ascent towards God;
4) the justice of God in creation and legislation;
5) continuous leadership and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam;
6) the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to:
a) continuous leadership of the holy persons, possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis of the Koran and the Sunnah, upon all of whom be peace;
b) sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further;
c) negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.

Source:
ICL - Iran - Constitution


Do you have a better example of what Sharia actually is?
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