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Old 02-19-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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Scary !
Self-appointment could be one reason why people are becoming too radicalized because any self appointed might think he is inspired by God, he can indoctrinate then manipulate some weak-minded followers.
No-one in a catholic church can self appoint himself as a priest, it takes around 7 years after high school to study theology, philosophy etc before becoming a priest. You must be appointed by a catholic Bishop who himself is appointed by the Pope and the Pope is appointed by cardinals.
It is a chain.
Moreover on Sundays, all catholic churches all over the world read the same passage in the Bible.
For instance if it is about John 1, 1- 10, all catholics whether they are in Rome, or in a remote church in West Africa , South Asia or on pacific Island will hear at church the priest reading John 1, 1-10.
I can't speak for others such as Lutherans, but I sense they are also well -organized out there.
This is what I was saying, there is no power structure or oversight, it's just like whoever is the biggest, oldest, toughest, whatever....that guy gets to be in charge. Then whatever he says, goes. Oh you want to radicalize and start converting people using AK-15's? Sure, whatever you say boss!
It's always going to be a man, too. Women aren't allowed to have power in Islam.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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That's how Mohammed did it.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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This is what I was saying, there is no power structure or oversight, it's just like whoever is the biggest, oldest, toughest, whatever....that guy gets to be in charge. Then whatever he says, goes. Oh you want to radicalize and start converting people using AK-15's? Sure, whatever you say boss!
It's always going to be a man, too. Women aren't allowed to have power in Islam.
Cept now days islam forces itself on people in the middle east and africa at the end of an AK-47. And then they take all the little girls for their wives according to the example that mohammad set.
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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Sharia Civil law is written contracts between consenting adults, that agree if the contract falls into dispute it will be arbitrated by a panel of Muslims.

In 30 states sharia civil contracts are recognized. In twenty they are not.
If you want to learn what Sharia is, a good place to start is study the 4 Madhabs.
I was wondering Woodrow, since you say Sharia law contracts must be honored in the USA, would you be able to marry a teenage girl as your second wife right now? I know you said you have a wife already, but since in Islam you're allowed to have more than one?

If sharia civil contracts must be honored, why don't we see more polygamy happening in the Muslim communities?
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Old 02-19-2015, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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This is what I was saying, there is no power structure or oversight, it's just like whoever is the biggest, oldest, toughest, whatever....that guy gets to be in charge. Then whatever he says, goes. Oh you want to radicalize and start converting people using AK-15's? Sure, whatever you say boss!
It's always going to be a man, too. Women aren't allowed to have power in Islam.

There are female Imams. Also the Mother is very often the only teacher of Islam the children will ever have.
Aisha is regarded as being one of the best teachers that ever lived and is remembered as being
Nearly every Islamic Nation Including Najd and Hijaz has had at least one female leader

China's female imams carrying on ancient Islamic tradition - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Mourchidat - Morocco's female Muslim clerics - Telegraph

Female Imam Leads Eid Prayer | Inside Islam

Woman Muslim Leaders throughout the Times

Women's Contribution to Classical Islamic Civilisation: Science, Medicine and Politics | Muslim Heritage
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I was wondering Woodrow, since you say Sharia law contracts must be honored in the USA, would you be able to marry a teenage girl as your second wife right now? I know you said you have a wife already, but since in Islam you're allowed to have more than one?

If sharia civil contracts must be honored, why don't we see more polygamy happening in the Muslim communities?






Criminal law takes precedence over civil law.

If something is illegal under criminal law it is still illegal and subject to prosecution even if part of a civil contract.

Under age marriage and polygamy are both illegal in the US under criminal law.

Civil law can not change any criminal laws.

As for Polygamy in Islam the limitation on the number of wifes actually discourages polygamy.
Polygamy is essentially allowed for the purpose of carrying for women that were unable to care for them selve. Primarily orphans, widows, divorcees etc.

Very few Muslims outside the Arabian peninsula ever practiced polygamy.
The requirements that must be met are very strict and hard to meet

1. An additional wife must be given a house and furnishings equal to what any other wives have.

2. The husband must pay the wife the Mawr she demands in no case can it be less that what any previous wife has.

3. Each wife must be given a living allowance to maintain the standard of living she demanded in the Nikkah

4. The Husband must spend equal time with each wife

5. If a man desires and feels he can afford an additional wife he has to first choose from the widows, orphans and divorcees in the local community. Only if they turn him down can he look beyond the local community.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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No sharia in America, hell no.
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Old 02-20-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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No sharia in America, hell no.
ther fore Catholics can not say who is forbidden to say who is not permitted to take communion in a Catholic Church.

A Jewish synagogue can not require a Man to wear a Yarmulke when in a synagogue

A Baptist chuch can not stop a deviant pastor from serving bourbon for communion.

Every religion practices some variation of Shariah, but do not call it Shariah, they call it Church Doctrine.
I suspect what you are looking at are the Shariah criminal Laws of Saudi and Iran and believe that is all there is to Shariah.

Actual Shariah CIVIL laws should not affect any non-Muslims and require no change in any laws. It just means shariah civil matters can be settled among consenting adult Muslims without going through the secular courts. The very same right that is given to Jews, Amish, Quakers and some Native American Tribes.
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Old 02-20-2015, 06:50 PM
 
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ther fore Catholics can not say who is forbidden to say who is not permitted to take communion in a Catholic Church.
A Jewish synagogue can not require a Man to wear a Yarmulke when in a synagogue
A Baptist chuch can not stop a deviant pastor from serving bourbon for communion.
Every religion practices some variation of Shariah, but do not call it Shariah, they call it Church Doctrine.
I suspect what you are looking at are the Shariah criminal Laws of Saudi and Iran and believe that is all there is to Shariah.
Actual Shariah CIVIL laws should not affect any non-Muslims and require no change in any laws. It just means shariah civil matters can be settled among consenting adult Muslims without going through the secular courts. The very same right that is given to Jews, Amish, Quakers and some Native American Tribes.
Our Tort, Divorce, Domestic Violence, Child Support and Protection laws are not overridden by religious "laws" Wood. There are significant restrictions that the state would not allow "consenting adults" to settle in a religious court.
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Old 02-20-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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Our Tort, Divorce, Domestic Violence, Child Support and Protection laws are not overridden by religious "laws" Wood. There are significant restrictions that the state would not allow "consenting adults" to settle in a religious court.
There are things that would not be allowed if they violated state law. Domestic violence is covered under criminal law not Civil, that is not an issue.

For the most part divorce, marriage and property owner ship contracts can be written so they comply with state law.

The Sharia civil laws are basically identical with the Jewish civil laws, the difference is an Islamic Council is the arbitrator instead of a Rabbi.
I do not think anyone is asking for permission to do anything that would violate state law.
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