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Old 02-17-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:05 AM
 
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Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

95% of what ISIS is doing is following the Quran. Some of their actions seem to go against it. But hey, war is hell.
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:31 AM
 
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Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

95% of what ISIS is doing is following the Quran. Some of their actions seem to go against it. But hey, war is hell.

Most Muslims know that ayyats are not stand alone statements. General rule is to read a minimum of 9 ayyats if you can't read the full surat
Non-Muslims seem to love to believe a truncated part of 8:12 is a commandment.

If you read enough you may see that surah 8 consists of 4 different but rlated disdcourses and 8:1-15 is in reference to a specific time when the nation was at war. a state of war, sort of a pep talk as they had just lost a battle, were fixing to be attacked and were quite down hearted.



8:1 (Asad) THEY WILL ASK thee about the spoils of war. Say: "All spoils of war belong to God and the Apostle." [1] Remain, then, conscious of God, and keep alive the bonds of brotherhood among yourselves, [2] and pay heed unto God and His Apostle, if you are [truly] believers!

8:2 (Asad) Believers are only they whose hearts tremble with awe whenever God is mentioned, and whose faith is strengthened whenever His messages are conveyed unto them, [3] and who in their Sustainer place their trust -

8:3 (Asad) those who are constant in prayer and spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance : [4]

8:4 (Asad) it is they, they who are truly believers! Theirs shall be great dignity in their Sustainer's sight, and forgiveness of sins, and a most excellent sustenance. [5]

8:5 (Asad) EVEN AS thy Sustainer brought thee forth from thy home [to fight] in the cause of the truth, although some of the believers were averse to it,

8:6 (Asad) [so, too,] they would argue with thee about the truth [itself] after it had become manifest [6] - just as if they were being driven towards death and beheld it with their very eyes.

8:7 (Asad) And, lo, God gave you the promise that one of the two [enemy] hosts would fall to you: and you would have liked to seize the less powerful one, [7] whereas it was God's will to prove the truth to be true in accordance with His words, and to wipe out the last remnant of those who denied the truth [8] -

8:8 (Asad) so that He might prove the truth to be true and the false to be false, however hateful this might be to those who were lost in sin. [9]

8:9 (Asad) Lo! You were praying unto your Sustainer for aid, whereupon He thus responded to you: "I shall, verily, aid you with a thousand angels following one upon' another!"

8:10 (Asad) And God ordained this only as a glad tiding, and that your hearts should thereby be set at rest-since no succour can come from any save God: verily, God is almighty, wise! [10]

8:11 (Asad) [Remember how it was] when He caused inner calm to enfold you, [11] as an assurance from Him, and sent down upon you water from the skies, so that He might purify you thereby and free you from Satan's unclean whisperings [12] and strengthen your hearts and thus make firm your steps.

8:12 (Asad) Lo! Thy Sustainer inspired the angels [to convey this His message to the believers]: "I am with you !" [13] [And He commanded the angels:] "And, give firmness unto those who have attained to faith [with these words from Me]: [14] `I shall cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks, [O believers,] and strike off every one of their finger-tips!" [15]

8:13 (Asad) This, because they have cut themselves off from [16] God and His Apostle: and as for him who cuts himself off from God and His Apostle - verily, God is severe in retribution.

8:14 (Asad) This [for you, O enemies of God]! Taste it, then, [and know] that suffering through fire awaits those who deny the truth!

8:15 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! When you meet in battle those who are bent on denying the truth, advancing in great force, do not turn your backs on them: [17]

This is not carte blanc permission to run around chopping off heads and finger tips. It is a reminder that God(swt) will send Angels to help them if the need arises.
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:45 AM
 
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I doubt if any Muslim knows the answer to thqat. ISIS appears to be determened to destroy Islam and they have declared war on all Muslims.

I do not know why they hate Muslims so much. While they have killed many non-Muslims they have killed way more Muslims. It is like the have formed their own religion and are out to destroy every one who disagrees with them.
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Old 02-17-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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I doubt if any Muslim knows the answer to thqat. ISIS appears to be determened to destroy Islam and they have declared war on all Muslims.

I do not know why they hate Muslims so much. While they have killed many non-Muslims they have killed way more Muslims. It is like the have formed their own religion and are out to destroy every one who disagrees with them.

"I do not know why Muslims hate so much." That's what you really meant to say. The very essence of the entire premise of the Islamic religion if FEAR. That is what it is all about. Not love, not peace, not tolerance. The entire ideology of islam is to strike fear in the hearts and souls of the believer and the unbeliever.

The one verse the OP stated is a running theme throughout the entire koran and all of islam. To say otherwise is to be untruthful.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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"I do not know why Muslims hate so much." That's what you really meant to say. The very essence of the entire premise of the Islamic religion if FEAR. That is what it is all about. Not love, not peace, not tolerance. The entire ideology of islam is to strike fear in the hearts and souls of the believer and the unbeliever.

The one verse the OP stated is a running theme throughout the entire koran and all of islam. To say otherwise is to be untruthful.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Neither I nor any other Muslim I know sees 8:12 as a commandment to harm anyone.
Like all Muslims I know I find love and tolerance to be the common theme throughout the Qur'an. Far more than I ever found in the Bible during my 45+ years as a Christian
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:26 AM
 
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In the name of which religion are radicals beheading people, raping women, burning down villages, attacking shopping malls, using car bombs throughout
the world today?
Just see the actions of Boko Haram, Al Shabah, ISIS, AL Qaeda, AQMI etc.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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* Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101).
* Be ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29).
* Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123, 66:9).
* Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day (Sura 9:29).
* Strike off the heads of infidels in battle (Sura 47:4).
* If someone stops believing in Allah, kill him (al-Bukhari 9:84:57).
* Take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51, 60:13).
* Never be a helper to the disbelievers (Sura 28:86).
* Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191).
* No Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel (al-Bukhari 1:3:111).
* The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land (Sura 5:33).
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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In the name of which religion are radicals beheading people, raping women, burning down villages, attacking shopping malls, using car bombs throughout
the world today?
Just see the actions of Boko Haram, Al Shabah, ISIS, AL Qaeda, AQMI etc.

That is like saying these groups represent Christianity

Lords Resistance Army

National Liberation Front of Tripura

National Socialist Council of Nagaland --- "Nagaland for Christ"

Army of God

Lambs of Christ

Concerned Christians --A Christian group that attempted suicide bombings of Holy sites in Jerusalem
KKK one of the requirements for membership is to be a practicing Christian

Those are just some of the ones that are active today. They all claim to be Christians and that they are the true Christians.

I do not believe they follow Christianity any more than Boko Haram, Al Shabah, ISIS, AL Qaeda, AQMI etc. follow Islam.

Their actions although seldom publicized are often just as horrific as you see among boko haram ISIS etc.
Terrorists are Terrorists and are all the same they might try to hide behind names like Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh---but they follow no religion
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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If any of the organizations you listed were cutting off heads in mass and burning people alive everyday this thread would probably be about them. It's not though, so your attempt to change the subject and divert attention to something else is transparent.

Instead of a list of groups that could be doing bad things somewhere, links to actual events might be more convincing. Even if you could put one together it would be dwarfed but the list of islamic violence around the world committed in the name of Allah as prescribed in the quran.

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