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Old 02-24-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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Thanks, Woodrow!

I'd still be interested in my original question (naturally, if you think that you feel qulified to answer). Do you think most Muslims in the United States support the death penalty in cases such as mentioned in the link in Saudi Arabia? Or, maybe they just don't care b/c it is far away?
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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I am almost absolutely clueless about Islam.

I wonder: Do Muslims who do not live in Saudi-Arabia or any other country where this is practiced agree with people being killed because they renounce their faith? I would imagine that they do not. Am I wrong?

Thanks!

Many probably most Islamic nations have either outlawed capital punishment for any crimes or have never made it part of their legal system.
but as far as executing Apostates I think the only ones done under a Court ruling in a Modern day Islamic Nation has been Saudi. Iran has sentenced many apostates to death but have never carried one out.
As for "Honor Killings" of apostates they are quite common in Pakistan and India. In pakistan usually By Muslims of Punjab heritage and in India by Sikh and Hindu of Punjab ancestry.

ISIS which seems to follow an extreme form of Wahabbi'ism seem to be finding reason to execute any one who is not a member of ISIS. They do pose a danger to all people Muslim and non-Muslim.
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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You can take a piece of dog poop and coat it in sugar but it's still dog poop.

Looks better now, huh?

Here, you wanna bite?
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Thanks, Woodrow!

I'd still be interested in my original question (naturally, if you think that you feel qulified to answer). Do you think most Muslims in the United States support the death penalty in cases such as mentioned in the link in Saudi Arabia? Or, maybe they just don't care b/c it is far away?
Can only speak regarding American Muslims I personally know which will be a some (Sufi) in New Jersy, Fargo (Sunni from Palestine) Western North Dakota and Western South Dakota which for the most part are Native Americans that follow the Sunni path, Dallas and Austin Texas which are motly sunni from Pakistan and Shi'ite from Morocco and Saudi.
Everyone I personally know opposes the death penalty for any reason.
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Old 02-24-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith - Telegraph

So, if you renounce the religion of peace, you end up in pieces. Great religion,...not.
That seems more like an issue with the Saudi courts, does it not?
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Old 02-24-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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That seems more like an issue with the Saudi courts, does it not?


Which is what it is
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Old 02-27-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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Can only speak regarding American Muslims I personally know which will be a some (Sufi) in New Jersy, Fargo (Sunni from Palestine) Western North Dakota and Western South Dakota which for the most part are Native Americans that follow the Sunni path, Dallas and Austin Texas which are motly sunni from Pakistan and Shi'ite from Morocco and Saudi.
Everyone I personally know opposes the death penalty for any reason.
And is this in tune with what the Quran says or do they and you just ignore passages that support the death penalty for renouncing Islam? Or, is it up to some sort of interpretation?

I am really just curious; no harm intended.
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Old 02-27-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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And is this in tune with what the Quran says or do they and you just ignore passages that support the death penalty for renouncing Islam? Or, is it up to some sort of interpretation?

I am really just curious; no harm intended.
I do not take any ayyats as being a stand alone command. I do my best to reat a minimum of 9 to 10 lines and put them in the context of the full Surat.

There is nothing in the Qur'an that commands the killing of apostates simply because they are apostates.

A person who has it in their heart and desire to do evil can find justification in almost any book to do so if they quote a single line without reference to the topic. this is called reverse engineering. Have a desired conclusion and then search for a means to justify it. Even if it means quoting a single line or in many cases truncating and quoting part of a line.

by truncating I can say the new testament commands stoning of an adulteress.

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John 8:7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them,
you be the first to throw a stone at her.
Those words are right there in the
New American Standard Bible in clear black and white, so what if I left out a few words.

That is the type or logic I find people use when they say the Qur'an commands the killing of Apostates.
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Old 03-04-2015, 07:21 AM
 
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When the al-Saud Family conquered Hijaz and Najd in 1929 they formed the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and replaced Islam with Wahhabi'sm
so when are muslims gonna start protesting that?
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:57 AM
 
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so when are muslims gonna start protesting that?

The protesting of it began before 1929. But the al-Saud Family is still richer than any Muslim Nation. Hard to fight big money.

Egypt went so far as having the death penalty for any one trying to introduce Wahabbi'ism/ Salafi'ism into Egypt which led to the current mess in Egypt.

But over all it seems most of us don't give a flip over what Saudi does as long as they do not mess with the 5 days of Hajj which occur on the 9-14 Hajj this year that will correspond with Sept 20-25
The vast majority of us never had and never will have any contact with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Logistically it is only possible for about 2,000,000 Muslims to make the Hajj each year. Which means only 1 out of every 2,000 Muslims will ever make the Hajj.
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