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Old 03-04-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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What Muslim country is the most Islamic?

Turkey?
Pakistan?
Saudi Arabia?
Indonesia?
Egypt?
Iran?
The Islamic State?



Many of us see it as Saudi Arabia. The country runs on strict Sharia law and it is where Islam's most holiest shrines are located. Saudi Arabia is also the biggest financier muslim institutions around the globe.
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Old 03-05-2015, 03:17 AM
 
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I think I would say Saudi Arabia first, obviously.

1. Saudi
2. Afghanistan
3. Pakistan
4. Iraq
5. Iran
6. Egypt

I don't think The Islamic State makes the list because they are not a county . . . yet.

Those ones are definitely on top though probably not in that order.

But it's a telling list, isn't it. The more Islamic a country is the less likely you would want to live there.

I would put Indonesia and Turkey closer to the bottom.
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Old 03-05-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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I do not find any Nation to be Islamic. No Nation follows Shariah, except by calling their legal system Shariah. No nation is setting a good example of Islam. However, there are many good people world wide, past and present, that set good examples of Islam.

A couple examples:
Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan: The Muslim Gandhi | Asia | DW.DE | 06.10.2011

Azim Premji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad Ali - Black History - HISTORY.com




You have to look at each Muslim individually.

You can not judge the actions of the individuals in a Nation by the actions of the government and Laws.

There is not a single nation that represents Islam. Just as no individual represents Islam.

Many people seem to think Muslims are under the control of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Far from it.
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Old 03-05-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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I do not find any Nation to be Islamic. No Nation follows Shariah, except by calling their legal system Shariah. No nation is setting a good example of Islam. However, there are many good people world wide, past and present, that set good examples of Islam.
This proves that mixing religion with politics always ends in disaster, no matter how good the intentions are.

So if no nation can set a good example of islam, then do you think a muslim nation should even try to impose the religion on the entire state?
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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This proves that mixing religion with politics always ends in disaster, no matter how good the intentions are.

So if no nation can set a good example of islam, then do you think a muslim nation should even try to impose the religion on the entire state?
There is a bit of difficulty in understanding the concept of De'en.
It is impossible to separate life from religion. What we live is our religion. Not just Muslims but all people.
The laws of a nation are the religion of the nation.

As for a nation imposing their laws on the entire state, that is what happens in every state.
The KSA is an Absolute Monarchy, the laws are the laws of the Kingdom. Iran is an absolute Theocracy the laws are the Shi'ite scriptures.
Every other nation that the world calls Islamic, is either a dictatorship with no choices or is actually secular and the laws are by the choice of the people. Most are quite secular regarding criminal laws.
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Old 03-05-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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There is a bit of difficulty in understanding the concept of De'en.
It is impossible to separate life from religion. What we live is our religion. Not just Muslims but all people.
The laws of a nation are the religion of the nation.

As for a nation imposing their laws on the entire state, that is what happens in every state.
The KSA is an Absolute Monarchy, the laws are the laws of the Kingdom. Iran is an absolute Theocracy the laws are the Shi'ite scriptures.
Every other nation that the world calls Islamic, is either a dictatorship with no choices or is actually secular and the laws are by the choice of the people. Most are quite secular regarding criminal laws.
what are you saying? that sharia law needs to be implemented?

but you live in america, there is no sharia law there. what are you still doing there then?
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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what are you saying? that sharia law needs to be implemented?

but you live in america, there is no sharia law there. what are you still doing there then?
The US constitution and amendments are the Shariah of the USA.

While the Sharia of an Islamic Nation is based upon the madhab of the Nation Which differs somewhat in every Nation it would be fair to state that the Madhab the US follows is the Constitution with it's amendments.

I find many similarities between the Hanafi Madhab and the US constitution.

I do not find anything in the US laws that are not compatible with the Shariah of the Hanafi Madhab.

An Introduction to Islamic Jurisprudence with Special Reference to the Hanafi School of Law
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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The US constitution and amendments are the Shariah of the USA.

While the Sharia of an Islamic Nation is based upon the madhab of the Nation Which differs somewhat in every Nation it would be fair to state that the Madhab the US follows is the Constitution with it's amendments.

I find many similarities between the Hanafi Madhab and the US constitution.

I do not find anything in the US laws that are not compatible with the Shariah of the Hanafi Madhab.

An Introduction to Islamic Jurisprudence with Special Reference to the Hanafi School of Law

now thats a great way of looking at it! so you are happy with that even though it outlaws some islamic ideas like polygamy?

and if thats the case then total separation of state & religion is acceptable. as long as the laws are fair & just.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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now thats a great way of looking at it! so you are happy with that even though it outlaws some islamic ideas like polygamy?

and if thats the case then total separation of state & religion is acceptable. as long as the laws are fair & just.
Polygamy is actually discouraged in Islam. the Qur'an is the only scripture that limits the number of wives a man can have, and places such difficult conditions on any additional wife after one, it is virtually impossible to meet the conditions and have more than one wife.

It is impossible for me to separate my religion from the laws of the state. As how I live my life, is how I practice my religion. Under Islam I am obligated to abide by the Laws of the Nation I live in. If I can not do that, I am to leave that nation.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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It is impossible for me to separate my religion from the laws of the state. As how I live my life, is how I practice my religion. Under Islam I am obligated to abide by the Laws of the Nation I live in. If I can not do that, I am to leave that nation.
by separation of state & religion it means "“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

so are you able to fully practice islam in america? or you still in need of some sharia laws to be implemented?
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