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Old 03-05-2015, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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the idea of the golden rule is to give away the kind of treatment that you expect for yourself.

otherwise you can toss a homosexual off a building while believing that its "good" for him. but the idea itself terrifies you if it happens to you.





thats what i'm talking about. more muslims would take that seriously if its enshrined in your holy book.
World wide you will find that the vast majority of us do practice that.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1766701
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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World wide you will find that the vast majority of us do practice that.
are you sure about that?

if thats the case then how do you explain this:

Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam - The Washington Post

why is the rampant discrimination of women, homosexuals, & religious minorities in muslim countries?
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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are you sure about that?

if thats the case then how do you explain this:

Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam - The Washington Post

why is the rampant discrimination of women, homosexuals, & religious minorities in muslim countries?
Pakistan and Egpt combined account for less than 1/4 of the worlds Muslims..
while quite a few of them do support the Death penalty for simple apostasy that is not supported by Sharia, the Qur'an or the Majority of the world's Muslims.
The Shariah proof of Apostasy requires the apostate also commit a crime against the Nation, such as treason.
Nearly all of the 49 Islamic Nations have never executed a person for Apostasy. While 21 Nations do have the Death Penalty for Apostasy, most of them have never used it.
Executions for Apostasy seem to be nearly all in the Mideastern Nations. Trying to find some information for number of people actually executed for apostasy in the past 10 years. While there have been people senteced to death for Apostasy, it is very rare the ececution is evercarried out. I can not find the name of one Muslim being executed (by an Islamic Court) for apostasy in the past 50 years.
The only names of people actually executed for Apostasy bey an Islamic court is a wiki article and it lists 4 names in the entire history of Islam
I can not find the names of anyone ever being executed for Apostasy in an Islamic Court.
Yes, there have been murders, of Apostates, nearly all by family members in Pakistan.

As for Discrimination of women. That comes down to be personal opinion. There are areas Muslim women have not made much headway in and areas in which they have surpassed non-Muslim women
Muslim women are permitted a role in Islam, there are even female Imams, female scholars and female Shariah judges among other things.
Every Islamic Nation has had at least one female head of state while we in the US have yet to have a female president.

Regarding discrimination against homosexuals, generally speaking the attitude is don't ask and don't tell. Homosexuality is virtually impossible to prove.
Yes there is very much discrimination against religious minorities, primarily in the Mideast and Pakistan. Usually against Christians. I attribute this as a backlash against westerners, who are being blamed for the destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan and the rise of criminal heads of State throughout the Mideast.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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As for Discrimination of women. That comes down to be personal opinion. There are areas Muslim women have not made much headway in and areas in which they have surpassed non-Muslim women
What are the areas where the Muslim women have "surpassed non-Muslim women"?

In another thread, I asked you this question and you said Indonesia. After that, I found a post about an Islamic school in that country practicing female circumcision and the government doing virginity tests on female police recruits, so you might want to choose another country.

Islam and Women's Rights
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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What are the areas where the Muslim women have "surpassed non-Muslim women"?

In another thread, I asked you this question and you said Indonesia. After that, I found a post about an Islamic school in that country practicing female circumcision and the government doing virginity tests on female police recruits, so you might want to choose another country.

Islam and Women's Rights
In the areas of politics and religious leadership Muslim women have surpassed many women in non-Islamic Nations.
Very few religions outside of Islam have female clergy
Women have long been active in Islamic Politics,

I should have addressed FGM when you brought it up.
It does persist in Indonesia even though it is not part of Islam.

INDONESIA: Female genital mutilation persists despite ban




Jakarta, 2 September 2010 (IRIN) - Though the Indonesian government banned female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C) four years ago, experts say religious support for the practice is more fervent than ever, particularly in rural communities.

A lack of regulation since the ban makes it difficult to monitor, but medical practitioners say FGM/C remains commonplace for women of all ages in this emerging democracy of 240 million - the world’s largest Muslim nation.

Although not authorized by the Koran, the practice is growing in popularity.

With increased urging of religious leaders, baby girls are now losing the top or part of their clitoris in the name of faith, sometimes in unsanitary rooms with tools as crude as scissors.

“We fear if [FGM/C] gets more outspoken support from religious leaders it will increase even more. We found in our latest research that not only female babies are being circumcised, but also older women ask for it,” said Artha Budi Susila Duarsa, a university researcher at Yarsi University in Jakarta.

IRIN Asia | INDONESIA: Female genital mutilation persists despite ban | Indonesia | Gender Issues | Health & Nutrition

As for virginity test for female police applicants

It's not easy becoming an Indonesian policewomen. Among the requirements: applicants must be 17.5 to 22 years old, high school graduates, unmarried, God-fearing, at least 65 inches tall - and they must be virgins.

That's according to a Human Rights Watch report that reveals that the Indonesian government subjects female applicants for Indonesia’s National Police to "discriminatory and degrading" “virginity tests," a requirement clearly spelled out on the national police jobs website.

"In addition to the medical and physical tests, women who want to be policewomen must also undergo virginity tests," the website says. "So all women who want to become policewomen should keep their virginity."

Why is Indonesia subjecting female police applicants to virginity tests? - CSMonitor.com

While it might be a a law most people will disagree with I am not cetain it can be called unfair. No one is forced to be a police officer. World wide many jobs have physical requirements and some are gender specific.
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Old 03-05-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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As for virginity test for female police applicants . . .

While it might be a a law most people will disagree with I am not cetain it can be called unfair.
I believe the law is unfair because it only applies to women but not to men.

In addition, the law is unjust because being a virgin has nothing to do with performing police work. It is like requiring all male applicants to be circumcised.


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Old 03-05-2015, 09:03 PM
 
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Pakistan and Egpt combined account for less than 1/4 of the worlds Muslims..
while quite a few of them do support the Death penalty for simple apostasy that is not supported by Sharia, the Qur'an or the Majority of the world's Muslims.
The Shariah proof of Apostasy requires the apostate also commit a crime against the Nation, such as treason.
Nearly all of the 49 Islamic Nations have never executed a person for Apostasy. While 21 Nations do have the Death Penalty for Apostasy, most of them have never used it.
Executions for Apostasy seem to be nearly all in the Mideastern Nations. Trying to find some information for number of people actually executed for apostasy in the past 10 years. While there have been people senteced to death for Apostasy, it is very rare the ececution is evercarried out. I can not find the name of one Muslim being executed (by an Islamic Court) for apostasy in the past 50 years.
The only names of people actually executed for Apostasy bey an Islamic court is a wiki article and it lists 4 names in the entire history of Islam
I can not find the names of anyone ever being executed for Apostasy in an Islamic Court.
Yes, there have been murders, of Apostates, nearly all by family members in Pakistan.
i've done the math. those who agree in pakistan & egypt alone already comprise 13% of the muslim world. now add to that the rest:

Muslim Beliefs About Sharia | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

may or may not be the majority but thats still an alarming number of muslims all around the world who dont really care for other people.


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As for Discrimination of women. That comes down to be personal opinion. There are areas Muslim women have not made much headway in and areas in which they have surpassed non-Muslim women
Muslim women are permitted a role in Islam, there are even female Imams, female scholars and female Shariah judges among other things.
Every Islamic Nation has had at least one female head of state while we in the US have yet to have a female president.


http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/...x_2014_Edition

politically some of the most powerful rulers in history are women who arent muslims.


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Regarding discrimination against homosexuals, generally speaking the attitude is don't ask and don't tell. Homosexuality is virtually impossible to prove.
"dont tell" speaks for itself.

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Yes there is very much discrimination against religious minorities, primarily in the Mideast and Pakistan. Usually against Christians. I attribute this as a backlash against westerners, who are being blamed for the destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan and the rise of criminal heads of State throughout the Mideast.
and what is it about hindus, buddhists & atheists?

Malaysia among countries faring worst in faith-based discrimination, says global study - The Malaysian Insider

Chinese and Indian Malaysians Feel Racial Discrimination - IMDiversity
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