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Old 05-23-2015, 05:57 AM
 
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and what is to be our response when the so-called "peaceful Muslims" state that there is no turn the other cheek in Islam, that peace is not attainable, therefore violence is justified, condoned, permitted, excused, and accepted? When anyone of any stripe says that peace is not attainable, so why bother trying, it opens the door to every atrocity imaginable. When the so called "peaceful Muslims" give oppression as an excuse and justification for violence, it sounds waaaaaaay too much like Hitler's insanity. Long before atrocities come into physical form, they ferment as a horrific dangerous mindset.
Then you deal with such people as is necessary. How are you referring to people promoting violence as "peaceful Muslims" in the first place?
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Old 05-23-2015, 03:03 PM
 
Location: South Minneapolis
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Why would anyone think Muslims treat women poorly?

Islamic State burned a woman alive for not engaging in an ‘extreme’ sex act, U.N. official says - The Washington Post
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Old 05-23-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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First, you should be telling this to religious and political leaders in Muslim countries, not on a forum that's mostly Americans.

Second, I suspect you're wrong that the point is to honor the minds of Muslim women. If that were true, there would be Muslim women at the highest levels of politics, science, education, economics, law, and everywhere else in Muslim countries. We can see that this is not the case.
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Old 05-23-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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Peace to one and all,
Some critics of Islam said that the rules of the faith do not allow you, women in Islam, to have public recognition and that as a result you remain nameless. This view is neither supported by history nor by Islamic religious precepts.

The question of dress [Hijab and long dress] is especially in need of clarification. The Qur'anic injunction to women on dress is mainly to protect them from men, who have 'disease in their hearts'. Protected by her own symbol of dignity (her dress), the women can feel free to take any role she wishes without the added burden of having constantly to look beautiful (often more artificial than natural). Nor is she allowed to succumb to the temptation of being used for the ornamental beautification of streets and offices.

Thus the unspoken message of the Muslim women dress is meant to say to the man: "Stop looking at my body. It is private. Look at my mind instead." This is what frustrates some men so much about the Islamic dress, complaining that it 'degrades' the women to a lower status than the man. This NOT so, their real complaint is that the Islamic dress deprives the LUSTFUL man of so much free entertainment.

To digress a bit, another related issue is that in some parts of the West today, gays and lesbians 'marriages' are considered [SUBHANALLAH!!] as indicators of freedom and rights. And we, Muslims, are demanded to recognize that... NEVER!! How can a Muslim respect gays and lesbians rights when the West does not identify for the Muslim, which of the 2 is female [in the lesbian marriage or in the gays marriage], so that we could give her her due rights?
The last sentence doesn't make any sense. Both parties in a lesbian marriage are female, and Islam isn't going to give either one her due rights because Islam won't accept such a marriage to begin with.
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Old 05-23-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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The Islamic State represents the Islamic State.

There are quite a few people that usr the name Islam.

A few:

Sunni
Shi'ite
Ahmadiyyat
Islamic State
Nation of Islam
Sufi
Ismaili
Wahabbi



There are more and each has sub-groups within them. The Islamic State has been denounced by every group and numerous fatwas have been issued declaring them to be an enemy of Islam.

Some denunciations of the IS

Muslims scholars' open letter to ISIS: Baghdadi, caliphate's actions against Qur'an, Islam.

Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

U.S. Muslim leaders denounce Islamic State, pledge to dissuade youth from joining - The Washington Post

Muslim Leaders Worldwide Condemn ISIS Washington's Blog

Japanese Muslims condemn Islamic State threat; some fear damage to Islam's image | The Japan Times

Isis concern: British Muslim leaders condemn extremist group - Crime - UK - The Independent

Canadian imams condemn Islamic State and its supporters - The Globe and Mail

Australian Muslim groups condemn Islamic State's 'barbaric' use of Yazidi slaves - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Indonesian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS: 'The Public Have to be Critical' - Breitbart

German Muslims condemn Islamic State in nationwide day of prayer - Israel News, Ynetnews

Irish Muslims condemn actions of Islamic State

Norwegian Muslims Condemn Islamic State | Ari Armstrong

Danish Muslims condemn Islamic State - dr.dk/Nyheder/Andre_sprog/English
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Old 05-23-2015, 09:49 PM
 
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The Islamic State represents the Islamic State.

There are quite a few people that usr the name Islam.

A few:

Sunni
Shi'ite
Ahmadiyyat
Islamic State
Nation of Islam
Sufi
Ismaili
Wahabbi



There are more and each has sub-groups within them. The Islamic State has been denounced by every group and numerous fatwas have been issued declaring them to be an enemy of Islam.

Some denunciations of the IS

Muslims scholars' open letter to ISIS: Baghdadi, caliphate's actions against Qur'an, Islam.

Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

U.S. Muslim leaders denounce Islamic State, pledge to dissuade youth from joining - The Washington Post

Muslim Leaders Worldwide Condemn ISIS Washington's Blog

Japanese Muslims condemn Islamic State threat; some fear damage to Islam's image | The Japan Times

Isis concern: British Muslim leaders condemn extremist group - Crime - UK - The Independent

Canadian imams condemn Islamic State and its supporters - The Globe and Mail

Australian Muslim groups condemn Islamic State's 'barbaric' use of Yazidi slaves - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Indonesian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS: 'The Public Have to be Critical' - Breitbart

German Muslims condemn Islamic State in nationwide day of prayer - Israel News, Ynetnews

Irish Muslims condemn actions of Islamic State

Norwegian Muslims Condemn Islamic State | Ari Armstrong

Danish Muslims condemn Islamic State - dr.dk/Nyheder/Andre_sprog/English
Of course, it's not just the Islamic State that treats women so badly. You also have your Boko Haram, the Taliban, and we all know how women are treated in Saudi Arabia where they are not allowed to drive. We know of polygamy in some Islamic areas. All of this is not an accident but follows the example of Mohammed who said that women are deficient in their intelligence and religion. Islam treats women as second class citizens as best, and too often treats them far worse.
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:02 PM
 
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Of course, it's not just the Islamic State that treats women so badly. You also have your Boko Haram, the Taliban, and we all know how women are treated in Saudi Arabia where they are not allowed to drive. We know of polygamy in some Islamic areas. All of this is not an accident but follows the example of Mohammed who said that women are deficient in their intelligence and religion. Islam treats women as second class citizens as best, and too often treats them far worse.
Doesn't your common sense tell you to "Let's find out that particular Islamic ruling or verse from the Quran or message of Islamic God, based on which, the ISIS and Boko Haram and Taliabans abuse the females, kill the innocent, and then justify their actions as The Islamic way?"
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Old 05-24-2015, 05:38 AM
 
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Of course, it's not just the Islamic State that treats women so badly. You also have your Boko Haram, the Taliban, and we all know how women are treated in Saudi Arabia where they are not allowed to drive. We know of polygamy in some Islamic areas. All of this is not an accident but follows the example of Mohammed who said that women are deficient in their intelligence and religion. Islam treats women as second class citizens as best, and too often treats them far worse.
All Islamic Nations have had or have female leaders. Many of the greatest Islamic Scholars and Islamic Teachers have been women. There are female Imams.

there is an issue about women and an education. although world wide Muslim women are begining to seek an education. There is no financial incentive for Muslim women to have a job. A Muslim woman has no responsibility for paying for her living expenses. A woman's husband is obligated to pay all her living expenses no matter how high an income she has. If a waman is unmarried her male relatives are obligated to pay her living expenses.

Yes education for women in stifled in some Islamic Nations, but in Islam all Muslims male and Female are required to obtain as much education as they are capable of learning.

Muslim Women in Science
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Old 05-24-2015, 06:11 AM
 
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Doesn't your common sense tell you to "Let's find out that particular Islamic ruling or verse from the Quran or message of Islamic God, based on which, the ISIS and Boko Haram and Taliabans abuse the females, kill the innocent, and then justify their actions as The Islamic way?"
I have no interest in the details of how these savages justify themselves.

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All Islamic Nations have had or have female leaders. Many of the greatest Islamic Scholars and Islamic Teachers have been women. There are female Imams.

there is an issue about women and an education. although world wide Muslim women are begining to seek an education. There is no financial incentive for Muslim women to have a job. A Muslim woman has no responsibility for paying for her living expenses. A woman's husband is obligated to pay all her living expenses no matter how high an income she has. If a waman is unmarried her male relatives are obligated to pay her living expenses.

Yes education for women in stifled in some Islamic Nations, but in Islam all Muslims male and Female are required to obtain as much education as they are capable of learning.

Muslim Women in Science
I am glad you see that there is a real issue, and am sure that you realize that the perception of how women are under Islam treated is not positive.
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Old 05-24-2015, 07:16 AM
 
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I have no interest in the details of how these savages justify themselves.



I am glad you see that there is a real issue, and am sure that you realize that the perception of how women are under Islam treated is not positive.
The real issue is that some who call themself Muslim are not following Islam. Most if not all of the abuses regarding education and driving occur on the Arabian peninsula. They came into place after the al-Saud Family conquered the Arabian Peninsula in 1929 and established the "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" What is being called Islam are the laws of the al-Saud Monarchy.

There is nothing in the Qur'an or ahadith that can be interpretated as a reason to forbid women from driving a car. In fact in the Ahadith there are mentioning of women riding horses, which would be the equivalent of driving a car.

Education is a mandate for all Muslims, Male and Female.

Women are highly esteemed in Islam and are considered to be the Teachers of Islam.

Muslim women are among the first Women that had the right to vote. woman have historically had a very large role in Islamic Politics and have been a strong influence in Islamic education.

It is said a man lean learns Islam at the feet of his mother. A person's Mother is a Muslims first instructor of Islam and very often the only instructor they will ever have.

some women that play or played a very influential role in Islam.

Revolutionary & Heroic Muslim Women Leaders

History's famous Muslim women scholars, philanthropists, and rulers - Dallas Islam | Examiner.com

Female Imams Blaze Trail Amid China's Muslims : NPR

Two Saudis among top 20 Muslim women scientists | Arab News

100 Extraordinary Muslim Women | Muslim Women | WISE Muslim Women

Muslim Women Power List | Society | The Guardian

Many Sharia Judges are Women they are responsible for the laws in many Islamic Nations. Sort of like US supreme court Judges. here are some from around the world

GENDERING THE ISLAMIC JUDICIARY: Female Judges in the Religious Courts of Indonesia | Arskal Salim - Academia.edu

Pakistan appoints first female judge to sharia court - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

New female judge transforms Islamic court - CSMonitor.com

Malaysia appoints first female sharia judges - OnFaith
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