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Old 05-26-2015, 08:35 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You (everyone).




This makes no sense. Who could be talking these young men into committing suicide?

Saudi Arabia attack: Islamic State claims Shia mosque bombing



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B6MGqWkpMk Sunnis in Iran (How Sunni Muslims live in a Shiite country?)




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Old 05-26-2015, 11:46 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You (everyone). May The Pure Guidance Of Allaah, Overtake, The Proud Ones In The World.




This is the madness that has overcome the young men, who want to listen to lies, and will not, to investigate, to find the truth on their own accord:

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Old 05-26-2015, 06:01 PM
 
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These stories always make me so sad. And non-believers judge all acts on these young men that follow lies. :anger: I know when I reverted, my one parent was so angry because the parent thought I would do that. I said, "No. They twist beliefs. Islam doesn't call for that." Of course, I never talk about it in the house anymore.

I am praying for peace soon.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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The tone of this US News article is disturbing.

Saudi King Salman is made out to appear he has no idea where hate speech and violence originates and has no ability to stop it.

Look within King Salman, look within.

Which House appointed the Grand Mufti? Reread the 61 page document.

Open your eyes King.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...saudi-province
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Old 05-28-2015, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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The tone of this US News article is disturbing.

Saudi King Salman is made out to appear he has no idea where hate speech and violence originates and has no ability to stop it.

Look within King Salman, look within.

Which House appointed the Grand Mufti? Reread the 61 page document.

Open your eyes King.

www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/05/27/shiites-reel-from-attack-in-saudi-province
I am not certain any one outside the al-Saud family has any insight on the happenings in Saudia Arabia. The Kingdom of Saudia Arabia is still a very new nation. There is still quite a bit of confusion about who in the Monarchy does what.

It is basically still a Monarchy in stages of development. It does seem often the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. The Monarcy is only 10 years older than me and like me has no idea what it is doing. It does seem there are often contradictory statements being made

Just last year the Garand Mufti issued this fatwa (Opinion)


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Tuesday, 19 August 2014

‘ISIS is enemy No. 1 of Islam,’ says Saudi grand mufti


By Staff writer | Al Arabiya News
Militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and al-Qaeda were blasted by Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh on Tuesday as "enemy number one" of Islam.

"The ideas of extremism, radicalism and terrorism ... have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam," the kingdom's top cleric said in a statement

He cited militants from ISIS, which has declared a "caliphate" straddling parts of Iraq and Syria, and the global al-Qaeda terror network.

Last Wednesday, Saudi Arabia donated $100 million to the United Nations Counter-Terrorism Centre (UNCCT) to help combat terrorism.

“Terrorism is an evil that must be eradicated from the world through international efforts,†Saudi Ambassador to the United States Adel al-Jubeir said during a ceremony at the United Nations in the presence of U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...of-Islam-.html
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Old 05-28-2015, 09:10 AM
 
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I am not certain any one outside the al-Saud family has any insight on the happenings in Saudia Arabia. The Kingdom of Saudia Arabia is still a very new nation. There is still quite a bit of confusion about who in the Monarchy does what.

It is basically still a Monarchy in stages of development. It does seem often the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. The Monarcy is only 10 years older than me and like me has no idea what it is doing. It does seem there are often contradictory statements being made

Just last year the Garand Mufti issued this fatwa (Opinion)




http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...of-Islam-.html
And yet, from some estimates, roughly half of ISIS is Saudi... At the same time,my wife told me about one of her Saudi student who told her his highest dream was to be a martyr. He was not referring to dying gloriously, fighting Christians or struggling against American hegemony. He was anticipating dying in his home country for his faith, at the hands of other muslims. He was Shia, from near al Quatif, and fully expected to be murdered by other Saudis, and the violence to be swept under the rub by the monarchy. Saudi Arabia is a really mixed up country, where the monarchy opposes ISIS, but turns a blind eye to the Wahabbis spreading the same doctrine worldwide, as long as they don't do it at home... Then they turn a blind eye to internal violence and discrimination against the Shia, unless of course it serve a propaganda purpose against an external force threatening to displace the House of Saud...

Honestly, this is why it is an absolute mistake to assume that Saudi Arabia represents Islam or vice versa. The convoluted relationships between religious, social, and political power in that state make many other majority Islamic nations look like a PTA or city council meeting. It is just flat out messed up, and probably shouldn't be used as an example of anything but itself...

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Old 05-28-2015, 09:17 AM
 
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And yet, from some estimates, roughly half of ISIS is Saudi... At the same time,my wife told me about one of her Saudi student who told her his highest dream was to be a martyr. He was not referring to dying gloriously, fighting Christians or struggling against American hegemony. He was anticipating dying in his home country for his faith, at the hands of other muslims. He was Shia, from near al Quatif, and fully expected to be murdered by other Saudis, and the violence to be swept under the rub by the monarchy. Saudi Arabia is a really mixed up country, where the monarchy opposes ISIS, but turns a blind eye to the Wahabbis spreading the same doctrine worldwide, as long as they don't do it at home... Then they turn a blind eye to internal violence and discrimination against the Shia, unless of course it serve a propaganda purpose against an external force threatening to displace the House of Saud...

Honestly, this is why it is an absolute mistake to assume that Saudi Arabia represents Islam or vice versa. The convoluted relationships between religious, social, and political power in that state make many other majority Islamic nations look like a PTA or city council meeting. It is just flat out messed up, and probably shouldn't be used as an example of anything but itself...

-NoCapo
You're correct here. There hasn't been a legitimate Caliphate and central authority of Sunni Islam since the Ottoman's were deposed. The house of Saud doesn't want terrorism within it's borders, that I'm fairly sure of but they are willing to allow ISIS and other groups propagate and expand outside of it's borders as long as said groups represent a valid and adequate check on Iranian political and imperialist ambitions. The house of Saud also married themselves to a very strict Puritan Islam, which I'm not entirely against but I hardly think their intentions were benevolent in this regard...rather they understood that strict religious adherence could be served and used as a tool for political power and gains.

In other words it's all a balance of uneasy and strange relationships whereby the golden rule is, "the enemy of enemy is my friend".
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Old 05-28-2015, 04:26 PM
 
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You're correct here. There hasn't been a legitimate Caliphate and central authority of Sunni Islam since the Ottoman's were deposed. The house of Saud doesn't want terrorism within it's borders, that I'm fairly sure of but they are willing to allow ISIS and other groups propagate and expand outside of it's borders as long as said groups represent a valid and adequate check on Iranian political and imperialist ambitions. The house of Saud also married themselves to a very strict Puritan Islam, which I'm not entirely against but I hardly think their intentions were benevolent in this regard...rather they understood that strict religious adherence could be served and used as a tool for political power and gains.

In other words it's all a balance of uneasy and strange relationships whereby the golden rule is, "the enemy of enemy is my friend".
I agree with the bolded sentiment and I agree 100% with you.
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Old 06-04-2015, 08:57 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You (everyone).

I don't understand what this magazine is supposed to represent. I've only scanned a couple of issues, but it seems much like propaganda. Did their Imam get hurt during NATO(?), bombing? I didn't notice any mention of it. There are stories around of their grabbing young girls for use as sex slaves. I didn't notice any mention of that either.


The Islamic State's (ISIS, ISIL) Magazine



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Old 06-05-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You (everyone).


There is a story (page 44) in issue #9: "Slave-Girls Or Prostitutes?" re: Female captives, being referred to as "the right hand's possession." Even 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib, (A.S.) is mentioned in the article. What a surprise!



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