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Old 07-08-2015, 12:59 AM
 
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There are around 20 verses relating to 'Men of Understanding' in the Quran.

Merely from the term 'understanding' Muslims interpreters stretch and exaggerate this to claim that the Quran promote reason, rationality and the search of advance knowledge.
This is the drive that support the scientific knowledge that was associated with SOME Muslims from Persia, Spain and elsewhere.

My point is the phase of the surge of scientific knowledge from SOME Muslims has nothing much to do with Quran nor the religion of Islam per-se. This surge of knowledge was due to the inherent nature of SOME Muslims as human beings in their natural drive to seek knowledge. It so happened that some of the lands the barbaric Muslims conquered has some humans of higher intelligence.

If Islam and the Quran themselves are motivators of scientific and other knowledge why is it that most of those nations with majority Muslim population are so backward and has not produced any Nobel Prize Winners in the knowledge categories. [Note Malala won the Peace Prize [a consolation IMO] and Abdul Salam was an Ahmadiyyah, a heretic sect of Islam].

The point is the 'Men of Understanding' in the Quran has nothing much to deal with general knowledge that his helpful to humanity but rather to eschatological knowledge for the individual[s] themselves, i.e. the actual meaning of 'men of understanding' in the Quran,


Chapter 13 [Pickthall] [mine]

19 . Is he who knoweth that what is revealed untothee from thy Lord is the truth like him who is blind? But only menof understanding heed;
20. Suchas keep the pact of Allah, and break not the covenant;
21. Suchas unite that which Allah hath commanded shouldbe joined, and fear their Lord, and dread a woeful reckoning.
22. Suchas persevere in seeking their Lord's countenance and are regular in prayer and spend of thatwhich We bestow upon them secretly and openly, and overcome evil with good.Theirs will be the sequel of the (heavenly) Home.

23. Gardens of Eden which they [ men of understanding ] enter, along with all who do right of their fathers and their helpmeets and their seed. The angels enter unto them fromevery gate.

13:20-22 represent the qualities of 'men of understanding' which are eschatological anddoctrine of worshipping God and going to heaven.

'Men of understanding' in the Quran has nothing to do with the pursuit of reason, rationality, scientific or othersecular knowledge.


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Old 07-08-2015, 12:56 PM
 
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I believe your interpretation to be correct for the most part. However there is some encouragement for the study of natural sciences, astrology and so forth within the Quran.

"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of night and day are signs for those of understanding." [3:190]

Normative Islamic thought throughout history has hallmarked the study of creation as being an act of worship to Allah (swt) if the intention of the person was correct. Here's an excellent lecture by scholar Yasir Qadhi on how some of that normative thought changed in the last several hundred years and the implications it had for the Muslim world...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg1c62x0NYk
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Old 07-09-2015, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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There are around 20 verses relating to 'Men of Understanding' in the Quran.

Merely from the term 'understanding' Muslims interpreters stretch and exaggerate this to claim that the Quran promote reason, rationality and the search of advance knowledge.
This is the drive that support the scientific knowledge that was associated with SOME Muslims from Persia, Spain and elsewhere.

My point is the phase of the surge of scientific knowledge from SOME Muslims has nothing much to do with Quran nor the religion of Islam per-se. This surge of knowledge was due to the inherent nature of SOME Muslims as human beings in their natural drive to seek knowledge. It so happened that some of the lands the barbaric Muslims conquered has some humans of higher intelligence.

If Islam and the Quran themselves are motivators of scientific and other knowledge why is it that most of those nations with majority Muslim population are so backward and has not produced any Nobel Prize Winners in the knowledge categories. [Note Malala won the Peace Prize [a consolation IMO] and Abdul Salam was an Ahmadiyyah, a heretic sect of Islam].

The point is the 'Men of Understanding' in the Quran has nothing much to deal with general knowledge that his helpful to humanity but rather to eschatological knowledge for the individual[s] themselves, i.e. the actual meaning of 'men of understanding' in the Quran,


Chapter 13 [Pickthall] [mine]

19 . Is he who knoweth that what is revealed untothee from thy Lord is the truth like him who is blind? But only menof understanding heed;
20. Suchas keep the pact of Allah, and break not the covenant;
21. Suchas unite that which Allah hath commanded shouldbe joined, and fear their Lord, and dread a woeful reckoning.
22. Suchas persevere in seeking their Lord's countenance and are regular in prayer and spend of thatwhich We bestow upon them secretly and openly, and overcome evil with good.Theirs will be the sequel of the (heavenly) Home.

23. Gardens of Eden which they [ men of understanding ] enter, along with all who do right of their fathers and their helpmeets and their seed. The angels enter unto them fromevery gate.

13:20-22 represent the qualities of 'men of understanding' which are eschatological anddoctrine of worshipping God and going to heaven.

'Men of understanding' in the Quran has nothing to do with the pursuit of reason, rationality, scientific or othersecular knowledge.


Your understanding of those ayyats appears to be correct.
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