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Old 07-29-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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Why would people believe it? And is there sufficient evidence?
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:01 PM
 
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Why would people believe it? And is there sufficient evidence?
The basis of Islam is we believe there is only one God(swt) and that we as part of His creation should worship Him'

Islam is an action, it is not an organization or a "Church"

Islam is simply the action of submitting to God(swt) (Worshipping) and we learn how to do so through the Madhabs which were developed from the Qur'an and Ahadith

We believe the Qur'an is the actual word of God(swt) revealed to Muhammad(saws) over a 22 year period from 610CE to 632CE The Qur'an gives us the reasons why we should Worship God(swt) called Allah(swt) in Arabic.

Some reasons we believe the Qur'an is the actual word of God(swt)

1. No other book has ever been written in Qur'anic Arabic. So far no one has been able to write a single unique sentence in Qur'anic Arabic. It is impossible to translate any other book into Qur'anic Arabic. It is impossible to use Qur'anic Arabic ina conversation

2. Qur'anic arabic is a unique dialect that was never heard before the Qur'an. While there are many dialects of Arabic a speaker of one can not understand most of any other dialects, yet a speaker of any dialect can understand Qur'anic Arabic

The Qur'an does not tell how to do Islam. We learn that though the Ahadith. The Ahadith are the testimony of eye witnesses, each Hadith (single form of Ahadith) has a chain of narrators through which we can trace back to the actual witness.the actual teaching of how to do Islam is from the Madhabs which are based upon ahadith, Sunnah and Sira.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:06 PM
 
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The following are the ground and basis of all theistic religions.
1. All humans are infected with an unavoidable existential dilemma {ED} embedded in the DNA/RNA.

2. Note -this ED generate a drive that is more fundamental and stronger than the sexual libido.

3. This terrible ED manifest psychological angst, anxieties, hopelessness, and the likes.

4. Humans use a various approaches to deal with the TERRIBLE angst of the ED.

5. The majority are driven by the ED to cling on to a God which is a necessary delusion and other means [spiritual or secular].

6. The more competent individuals deal with the ED on their own or in small groups.

7. The majority believers established Religions to guide themselves and others.

8. The individual religion hinges on an original founder, teacher, prophet, etc.

9. The main theistic religions are Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.

What differentiate Islam from the other religions is specifically
1. a human being with a certain psychological state, personality & and life experiences/examples, and
2. the resultant Quran plus its later exegesis [hadiths, sira, etc]
3. an culminated Esprit de Corps manifesting from the above.

If one were to trace back from 9 backward to the fundamental grounds, 1-4 are facts.
But 5 is based on an illusion and falsehoods, albeit it is necessary and work psychologically.
Whether God exists or not has been debated from eons ago ending with a consolation of 'theism has to be based on faith.'

The next consideration is the founder. The question is whether the founder has credible psychological and moral quotient. There are a lot of controversies surround the psychological and moral quotient of the founder of Islam in comparison to founders like Gautama, Jesus, Mahavira, Lao Tze and others.

Since the foundation of Islam is based on faith and that God does not exists the question is did God spoke to Muhammad [doubted] is a matter of fact or delusion?

One can infer the veracity of the basis of Islam from the above.
My inference and conclusion is not a favorable one.
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Old 07-30-2015, 01:18 AM
 
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The following are the ground and basis of all theistic religions.
1. All humans are infected with an unavoidable existential dilemma {ED} embedded in the DNA/RNA.

2. Note -this ED generate a drive that is more fundamental and stronger than the sexual libido.

This has nothing to do with the original question.

OP, the basis of Islam is pure monotheism. It is not sufficient to acknowledge that God exists, one must also affirm the falsehood of man made deities and devote himself to the True God, Lord of the creation, and follow the teachings of the Prophets including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace and blessings be upon them all.

In essence the Quran is a reminder to mankind of the first commandment and a detailed explanation as to how worship God alone : Thou shalt have no other god before God.
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Old 07-30-2015, 02:08 AM
 
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[/indent]This has nothing to do with the original question.

OP, the basis of Islam is pure monotheism. It is not sufficient to acknowledge that God exists, one must also affirm the falsehood of man made deities and devote himself to the True God, Lord of the creation, and follow the teachings of the Prophets including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace and blessings be upon them all.

In essence the Quran is a reminder to mankind of the first commandment and a detailed explanation as to how worship God alone : Thou shalt have no other god before God.
Your comprehension is bad. Note:

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What is the basis of Islam?
Why would people believe it? And is there sufficient evidence?
Muslims believe in the Quran because it is from God -taken to be monotheism.

The OP also asked;
And is there sufficient evidence?

So do you have solid evidence and justification that your God exists?

I am very 'certain' God do not exists.
Thus I have to provide a basis why people came up with the transcendental idea of an illusory God, i.e. the actual basis is the ED which is psychological.

I am not saying people should not believe in God. I understand a belief in God is critical and necessary for the majority. So continue to believe in god if you need to but do not condemn other beliefs and be influenced into the path of violence.

You can believe in God but you don't have any solid ground God exists, so you should mind your own business.
Why do you need to be busybody with the beliefs of others if they are not committing violence and evils?
Besides you do not have any authority nor grounds to condemn others who prefer to pray to idols, deities and other things in accordance to the spiritual proclivities and inclinations. What is the issue if they are not influenced to violence and evils?

Btw praying to idols and other Gods is better than praying to a monotheistic god which inspire its believers to commit terrible evils around the world.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.


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The following are the ground and basis of all theistic religions.
1. All humans are infected with an unavoidable existential dilemma {ED} embedded in the DNA/RNA.

2. Note -this ED generate a drive that is more fundamental and stronger than the sexual libido.

3. This terrible ED manifest psychological angst, anxieties, hopelessness, and the likes.

4. Humans use a various approaches to deal with the TERRIBLE angst of the ED.

5. The majority are driven by the ED to cling on to a God which is a necessary delusion and other means [spiritual or secular].

6. The more competent individuals deal with the ED on their own or in small groups.

7. The majority believers established Religions to guide themselves and others.

8. The individual religion hinges on an original founder, teacher, prophet, etc.

9. The main theistic religions are Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc.

What differentiate Islam from the other religions is specifically
1. a human being with a certain psychological state, personality & and life experiences/examples, and
2. the resultant Quran plus its later exegesis [hadiths, sira, etc]
3. an culminated Esprit de Corps manifesting from the above.

If one were to trace back from 9 backward to the fundamental grounds, 1-4 are facts.
But 5 is based on an illusion and falsehoods, albeit it is necessary and work psychologically.
Whether God exists or not has been debated from eons ago ending with a consolation of 'theism has to be based on faith.'

The next consideration is the founder. The question is whether the founder has credible psychological and moral quotient. There are a lot of controversies surround the psychological and moral quotient of the founder of Islam in comparison to founders like Gautama, Jesus, Mahavira, Lao Tze and others.

Since the foundation of Islam is based on faith and that God does not exists the question is did God spoke to Muhammad [doubted] is a matter of fact or delusion?

One can infer the veracity of the basis of Islam from the above.
My inference and conclusion is not a favorable one.

If what you propose here is true, then the real question must be; Why are we here. What is the purpose of this life? This in fact, is what is causing your: existential dilemma proposal.




Wassalaam. devotee
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Old 07-30-2015, 10:51 PM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.


If what you propose here is true, then the real question must be; Why are we here. What is the purpose of this life? This in fact, is what is causing your: existential dilemma proposal.


Wassalaam. devotee
Fallible Human: Why are we here?
Fallible Human: We are here because ....... God, blah, blah, blah..

Note whatever the answer, it is always provided by a fallible human.
If the answer end up with God, it is not a fact.

ED is fact.
It is a fact you are psychological driven to invent God to deal with the factual ED.
God is a resultant of the ED.

Therefore the basis of Islam is the ED.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:47 AM
 
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If what you propose here is true, then the real question must be;
Why are we here. What is the purpose of this life?
This in fact, is what is causing your: existential dilemma proposal.
Another perspective,

If what 'you' [i] propose here (1-4) is true,
then
(5) humans invented an illusory God to deal with the ED.

Why we are here can be explained by the emergence principles.
Then we have ED.
From ED, humans invent God [up to monotheism].
The original proto Muslims invented a God-Allah that has evil elements.
Therefrom SOME [not all] Muslims commit evil and violence as inspired by God-Allah.
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Old 08-01-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, The Most Compassionate, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.





If what you propose here is true, then the real question must be; Why are we here. What is the purpose of this life? This in fact, is what is causing your: existential dilemma proposal.




Wassalaam. devotee
There is no need to engage this poster in conversation. OP asked about the basis of Islam. If someone wants to argue that God does not exist this belongs in another forum. This forum is about Islam and its teachings.

The basis of Islam is submission to the true God, Lord and Creator of the universe and through the teachings revealed to His messengers.
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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Sorry Sorel, I think devotee's comments are pertinent here (to some, maybe not all)
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