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Old 08-10-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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"Point being, many non-Muslims do come to the conclusion the Qur'an is about peace and does foster coexistence among all people."

And they are wrong:

"Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate."

FrontPage Magazine - What Islam Isn't
The same happens with all people as they increase in numbers. Look what happened when the "White man" migrated to the Americas, Australia, Hawaii, New Zeeland, or going back further when the Aryans to the Teutonic nations or when the Indo-Europeans migrated to France, etc.


That is another scare tactic widespread by the anti-Islamic sites. But it has nothing to do with Islam, it is an effect of migration. Immigrants.

I am not a person that supports immigration. Although my ancestors came to the USA in 1895. Sadly once a people Migrate to another land, it becomes almost impossible for their decedents to return to the homeland. Immigration often becomes detrimental to both the indigenous people and the immigrant.````````````````````
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:15 PM
 
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Yes, it is a warning and a threat of the consequences of what to expect if one do not believe in Allah, Islam and Muhammad.

However there is the inevitable "Milgram Effect."
Yes those verses of the worst kind of cruelties are about torture of non-Muslims in hell. This is also a indirect way of dehumanizing the 'out-group.'
However when hundreds of such verses are directed and thrown at the 'out-group' [the infidels, Kuffar] together with brainwashing using thousands of anti- and negative sentiments, it is natural SOME will commit evil acts against the infidels.

There various types of negative sentiments, put-down and all sort of evil condemnation of non-believers merely because they do not believe.

In addition to the cruel and violence verses related to Judgment Day, the most malignant are the hundreds!! of sword and violent verses directed at how Muslims should deal with Non-Muslims in real life if and when Muslims are persecuted and religion of Islam is wronged or threatened.

The combinations of the thousands of evil condemnation of non-Muslims as the 'out-group' together with the 'Milgram Effect' contribute to the real terrible evils and violence that is committed by SOME Muslims around the world.

The dilemma is the 'Migram Effect' and evil is real psychology plus the 'Quran with its evil-laden verses' are immutable and floating in the brains/minds of 1.5 billion people on Earth.

Why is there no contemplation of the fact that many of these punishments are already ingrained in the psyche of "infidels" "Kuffar" "unbelievers" out-group" due to their waywardness. You are attempting to blame the The Holy Qur'an, for the "evil" in many people, when in fact such people may not have knowledge of this Holy Scripture. These people would rather listen to the whispering of the Satan and his horde; when 'the still small voice' of a pure soul, is guiding them aright. Some people never leave the "evil" promptings. That is why "The Reminder" was sent to The Prophet Muhammad (SAAW), by Allaah, The All-Knowing, The All-Powerful, The High Exalted. There is no 'other' god with HIM (SWT).


Ths study proved nothing to me, besides the fact that humans can be uncaring, selfish and mean.

Milgram Obedience Study



Wassalaam. devotee
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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"The same happens with all people as they increase in numbers"

This is news to me. Let's find out. I'll post 20 videos of Muslim immigrants rioting and raping and doing acts of terrorism and taking over areas of cities in numerous countries....then you post 20 videos of OTHER immigrants doing the same in numerous countries!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2LxmESkV0Q


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXfPnZPypM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y28zkxUtUs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La7AWPAm0W0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-GzAQWTsRI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7oezVO1Bk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKBo5a-wzos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUkpeQNyZUg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGMOpb1ngvU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXCb1VUBDg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVvgrEm4FE4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RaKpf4Mhg4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me9MIie4r30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj4CQ0ekDHA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xiXroQp8t4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENV3ZYmAqg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYP6ku7bMoc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Mu5nMVFuQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnP-XzB_U0
You might not be aware of the numerous ethnic riots we have had in the US

Just giving a few sources

The Other Irish Riots of July | Irish America

When Italian immigrants were 'the other' - CNN.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riot_of_1853

USA - German Roots - Chicago*-*Goethe-Institut*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fr...o_riot_of_1877

Saul Austerlitz Reviews Scott Zesch's "The Chinatown War: Chinese Los Angeles and the Massacre of 1871" | The New Republic

The Anti-Chinese Hysteria of 1885-1886

"To This We Dissented": The Rock Springs Riot

America's long list of race riots - Telegraph

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

America's True History of Religious Tolerance | History | Smithsonian

1. LA Riots, 1992: $1.268 billion - TheRichest

Race Riots in the U.S.


While most of those are not recent immigrants, many of the Muslims in the UK are not recent immigrants either. In much of the Western world if a person is not White Christian, they are considered to be immigrants no matter how far back the family roots expand.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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Would you expect a Ford Manual to tell you the virtues of a Chevrolet?
You have lost your moral compass on basic human dignity in relation to the above.
This is where I accused your views as based on faith in desperation rather than rational and wise thinking.

I am very familiar with competiveness and competitive advantage in our modern business world.
The days of picking the faults of one's main competitor is long gone. Anyone doing it [especially publicly] is falling into the barbaric trap.
Modern successful corporations has to depend on the quality on their products and not by condemning other products.

But in the case of the Quran, it is evil in using contemptuous, vile, abominable, violent, dehumanizing terms to condemn non-Muslims who are the same living humans as any other and thus should be accorded basic human dignity.

The irony is when non-Muslims merely critique* Islam they are target to be killed as sanctioned by the Quran and SOME Muslims will do that. You claimed to have read the Quran for many years, I suggest you reread the Quran again and this time with bias-blinkers removed.
* it will be worst if non-Muslims condemn or direct satires [e.g. cartoons] at Islam.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:46 PM
 
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You might not be aware of the numerous ethnic riots we have had in the US

Just giving a few sources

The Other Irish Riots of July | Irish America

When Italian immigrants were 'the other' - CNN.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riot_of_1853

USA - German Roots - Chicago*-*Goethe-Institut*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fr...o_riot_of_1877

Saul Austerlitz Reviews Scott Zesch's "The Chinatown War: Chinese Los Angeles and the Massacre of 1871" | The New Republic

The Anti-Chinese Hysteria of 1885-1886

"To This We Dissented": The Rock Springs Riot

America's long list of race riots - Telegraph

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

America's True History of Religious Tolerance | History | Smithsonian

1. LA Riots, 1992: $1.268 billion - TheRichest

Race Riots in the U.S.


While most of those are not recent immigrants, many of the Muslims in the UK are not recent immigrants either. In much of the Western world if a person is not White Christian, they are considered to be immigrants no matter how far back the family roots expand.
You are off target with the above. What you are referring to the above is 'racism' not 'theism' nor 'religionism'.

To establish a 'control' you must compare light to light, i.e. with other main stream religions in the present era and the future.

The other critical point is were the believers inspired by their religion to create violence in a correlation with their numbers.
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Old 08-10-2015, 11:22 PM
 
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The overridden thrust of the Quran and Islam is there should be no mercy and compassion for non-Muslims.
Glimpses of consolations are mentioned in the Quran only under conditions that the non-Muslims pay tax or express genuine subservient attitude to Muslims like dominant masters.

No Mercy, Compassion, Empathy from Allah
Here is an example where Allah shows no empathy, mercy and compassion when non-Muslims pleaded for a 2nd chance to correct themselves in accordance to Allah's expectations. e.g. [mine]
35:37. And they [infidels] cry for help there, (saying): Our Lord! Release us; we will do right, not (the wrong) that we used to do.
[Allah taunted] Did not We grant you a life long enough for who reflected to reflect therein? And the warner came unto you. Now taste (the flavour of your deeds), for evil doers [infidels] have no helper.

For the above Allah has expressed vengeance with intense abhorrence of extreme repugnance, aversion, utter loathing and abomination for the non-Muslims.
There are many other similar verses reflecting the above sort of evils.

As a result of the above non-Muslims are tormented and tortured in the worse manner on Earth by SOME Muslims and in the hereafter. Re Milgram Effect SOME Muslims carry out the same torments on non-Muslims following the examples of what Allah did in the Quran.

Again: The overridden thrust of the Quran and Islam is there should be no mercy and compassion for non-Muslims.


Btw I read somwhere: There is one challenge of $10,000 for anyone who can produce a verse of UNCONDITIONAL compassion and mercy to non-Muslim from the Quran.
al-Rassooli ...a concerned human being
[can find the exact location yet -KIV]

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Old 08-11-2015, 12:23 AM
 
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You are off target with the above. What you are referring to the above is 'racism' not 'theism' nor 'religionism'.

To establish a 'control' you must compare light to light, i.e. with other main stream religions in the present era and the future.

The other critical point is were the believers inspired by their religion to create violence in a correlation with their numbers.
The Challenge I was give was:

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"The same happens with all people as they increase in numbers"

This is news to me. Let's find out. I'll post 20 videos of Muslim immigrants rioting and raping and doing acts of terrorism and taking over areas of cities in numerous countries....then you post 20 videos of OTHER immigrants doing the same in numerous countries!
while I do not have the stamina to wade through youtube I posted links to hundreds if not thousands of riots in Ethnic neighborhoods--In the US alone.several of the links contain rather lengthy lists. But there has and continue to be riots in minority neighborhoods world wide.It does not seem to matter if the minority is racial, Religious or National origin.
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:23 AM
 
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"while I do not have the stamina to wade through youtube"

It took me about 10 minutes.

" I posted links to hundreds if not thousands of riots in Ethnic neighborhoods--In the US alone.several of the links contain rather lengthy lists. But there has and continue to be riots in minority neighborhoods world wide.It does not seem to matter if the minority is racial, Religious or National origin.

The Other Irish Riots of July | Irish America

When Italian immigrants were 'the other' - CNN.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riot_of_1853 - One

USA - German Roots - Chicago*-*Goethe-Institut*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fr...o_riot_of_1877

Saul Austerlitz Reviews Scott Zesch's "The Chinatown War: Chinese Los Angeles and the Massacre of 1871" | The New Republic

The Anti-Chinese Hysteria of 1885-1886

"To This We Dissented": The Rock Springs Riot

America's long list of race riots - Telegraph

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

America's True History of Religious Tolerance | History | Smithsonian

1. LA Riots, 1992: $1.268 billion - TheRichest

Race Riots in the U.S."

I think you know we are talking about groups of immigrants with a common ideological core immigrating into many countries and rioting, doing acts of terrorism against that country and the people of that country. What the Muslims are doing. That's the point. That was your claim. You said: "The same happens with all people as they increase in numbers". Remember, you are challenging the article I posted about what happens when Muslims grow in population. Go back and read the article.

I said: "Let's find out. I'll post 20 videos of Muslim immigrants rioting and raping and doing acts of terrorism and taking over areas of cities in numerous countries....then you post 20 videos of OTHER immigrants doing the same in numerous countries!"

Instead of researching your list I can tell by the name of the links that you have given a list of incidents that happened only in ONE country and are not against the country (terrorism), but against specific issues.

You're comparing apples and oranges.
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