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Old 08-10-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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Is "Dar-al-Harb" ("House of War") meant to be taken literally of figuratively?
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:01 AM
 
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Is "Dar-al-Harb" ("House of War") meant to be taken literally of figuratively?
It varies depening on the school of thought. You might find answers here.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:18 PM
 
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Is "Dar-al-Harb" ("House of War") meant to be taken literally of figuratively?
It is not much of a question of 'literally or figuratively' rather the critical question is, in reality that concept is conceptualized and actualized by SOME Muslims at present.

One of the main element of effectiveness of Islam from the Quran is the "us versus them" or "Muslim versus non-Muslims." Non-Muslims are derogatorily branded, infidels, Kafara, kafir, kuffar with the strongest feelings of contempt, enmity and 'hatred.'
In general, at the present, the primal 'us versus them' impulse from deep inside the brain is the basis for the mother of all evils. It is unfortunate the Quran and Islam relied heavily on this potentially evil and malignant impulse.

There is no "Dar-al-Harb" ("House of War") in the Quran [core of Islam].
The practice of Islam is expounded from the Quran into the Hadiths, various schools and other sets of expositions. It is from this secondary texts that the various verses in the Quran exhorting and invoking the "us versus them" are honed, polished, sharpened and consolidated into the "Dar-al-Harb" ("House of War") versus "Dar-al-Islam."

The additional dangerous issue is the Quran is ordered/organized with a martial spearhead with the sword verses of the Medina verses leading the way and directing Muslims' mind [under eschatological threats] at "them" i.e. the kuffar [derogatorily].

The above is not a hypothesis but its manifestation from the Quran into the minds of SOME Muslims is a FACT that is justified with solid empirical evidences, i.e. the terrible evils and violence that is committed by SOME* Muslims around the world.
*If SOME is 20% - that is a potential pool of 300 millions even 0.1% i.e. 1.5 million is still a very frightening quantum.

The main point is the concept of "Dar-al-Harb" ("House of War") versus Dar-al-Islam should not have been conceptualized at all due to its potential towards the mother of all evils. However the manifestations of such a concept is inevitable due to;
1. The primal "us versus them" is inherent in the human DNA
2. This concept of "us versus them" is embedded as a critical element of Islam in the Quran and the Quran is immutable. [Catch-22].

The solution to the real problem by SOME Muslims is how to resolve the above catch-22 and related dilemma.
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:13 PM
 
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Dar al-Harb

Territory of war. Denotes the territories bordering on dar al-Islam (territory of Islam), whose leaders are called upon to convert to Islam. Refers to territory that does not have a treaty of nonaggression or peace with Muslims; those that do are called dar al-ahd or dar al-sulh. Jurists trace the concept to Muhammad , whose messages to the Persian, Abyssinian, and Byzantine emperors demanded that they choose between conversion and war. When the leaders of dar al-harb accept Islam, the territory becomes part of dar al-Islam, where Islamic law prevails; conversely, according to the majority of jurists an Islamic territory taken by non-Muslims becomes dar al-harb when Islamic law is replaced. Like other classical legal concepts, dar al-harb has been affected by historical changes, and with the fragmentation of the Muslim world into numerous states, the concept has little significance today.

Dar al-Harb - Oxford Islamic Studies Online
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:58 PM
 
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Dar al-Harb

Territory of war. Denotes the territories bordering on dar al-Islam (territory of Islam), whose leaders are called upon to convert to Islam. Refers to territory that does not have a treaty of nonaggression or peace with Muslims; those that do are called dar al-ahd or dar al-sulh. Jurists trace the concept to Muhammad , whose messages to the Persian, Abyssinian, and Byzantine emperors demanded that they choose between conversion and war. When the leaders of dar al-harb accept Islam, the territory becomes part of dar al-Islam, where Islamic law prevails; conversely, according to the majority of jurists an Islamic territory taken by non-Muslims becomes dar al-harb when Islamic law is replaced. Like other classical legal concepts, dar al-harb has been affected by historical changes, and with the fragmentation of the Muslim world into numerous states, the concept has little significance today.

Dar al-Harb - Oxford Islamic Studies Online
Regardless of your interpretation, the truth is that concept is actualized as a reality at present by SOME Muslims, the resultants/consequences has real terrible impact of sufferings on many [millions] of innocent people at present.

Note my post above in explaining how such a concept has manifest as reality at present as the underlying perennial principle [us versus them] is from the Quran.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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War Territories , War zone , Battle Field, war fronts

It is that land which is not friendly and has intention to envade Muslim's lands. One day Makkah was Daru Harb or Hostile land .

Some writers or researchers want to expand this term to include all non-Islamic cultures. This is called deliberate deforming to others' history .
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