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Old 08-25-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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1.11 Earth Created in Six Days
The earth first formed around 9 billion years after the Big Bang. The Qur'an, however, repeats the prevailing middle eastern myth that the earth and universe were formed in six days.

We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us
Qur'an 50:38


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Qur'an 50:38
{38. We created the heavens and the earth a, and all [moons, meteorites and meteors] that are between them in six days b, and no fatigue touched us. c}
.................................................. ...............
a i.e. the planets including the earth.
b i.e. in six thousands of our years.

It means: God created the earth and the planets and all moons and meteorites ... etc. between them in six thousands of our years; because one day of the Hereafter equals one thousand years.
The creation here is the transformation from one condition to another, which means: He transformed that initial sun into an earth with a cold crust in 2000 years, then it increased in coldness and thickness of its crust and the mountains fell on it and the gaseous layers of the atmosphere all that was formed in 4000 years, so the total is 6000 years, which is the period during which it was transformed from a sun into an earth.

"God –be exalted –said also in the Quran 41: 9-12
قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَادًا ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ . وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ . ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى إِلَى السَّمَاء وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ اِئْتِيَا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ . فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ...
The explanation:
( [O Mohammed] say [to the idolaters]: “Do you, then, disbelieve in [God] Who created the earth in two days, and do you ascribe to Him opponents? –That is the Lord of [all] the worlds!”

“And He made [mountains] that landed upon it, blessed it, and apportioned therein its sustenance in four days; alike for those who ask [provision.]”
“Then He tended to [build]* the sky and it had been smoke; He said to it and to the earth, ‘Come, both of you, willingly or loath.’ The two said, ‘We [all] have come obedient.’
“And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days …etc.” )
[*i.e. to make the layers of the gaseous sky distinctive, and to build or to arrange it in successive layers.]

The interpretation:
-- (created the earth in two days) means: in two thousand years; for one day of God’s days equals one thousand of our years, according to our days,

as is it mentioned in the Psalms 89: 3-4, A prayer of Moses:
“3… saying, “Return to dust, O sons of men.”
4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day …”

The ‘creation’ is the transformation from one thing [or form] to another; therefore, (Who created the earth in two days) means: He transformed it into an earth after being a sun, and that lasted a period of two thousand years; this is the time during which the surface of that sun became cold, that sun whose life had ended.

-- (and He made [mountains] that landed upon it); that which heavily landed upon the earth, are the mountains. This can be explained as follows:
That sun had been transformed into an earth after the cooling of its surface, then the meteorites started to fall down on it to become the mountains. Therefore, most of the mountains on the earth surface were originally meteorites.

-- (and blessed it) means: He increased its size, and that was by many factors:

First: The crust of the earth started gradually to be more and more cold; so this increased its thickness.

Second: The falling down of meteorites upon it increased its mass and volume.

Third: The falling down of minute particles upon it (these are the fine particles that we see in a beam of sun rays entering a dark room through a window.) The origin of these particles are from meteorites which were broken up after their Doomsday, so that their parts scattered in the space.

Fourth: The metals increased its volume and size by combination with other elements, e.g. the oxygen may combine with iron, so it will increase in its volume, and ferric oxide will result; and carbon dioxide combines with calcium forming calcium carbonate; and nitrogen combines with sodium and potassium resulting in sodium nitrate and potassium nitrate; and so on gases combine with most of the metals so increasing their volume, and by this way the Earth size goes on increasing with the passing of time and years.

>> (and apportioned therein its sustenance) means: He made the fall of rain upon it, and created the plant, trees and animals; to be as sustenance and provision for man; in other words: He apportioned these things as sustenance for man when He would create him on Earth; because He –be exalted –had created these things and prepared them for man before did He create man upon it, exactly just as had He created the breast of the woman before did He create the fetus in her womb.

>> (in four days) means: He created all these things during a period of four thousand years; so the total is six thousand years; because the cooling of the Earth lasted two thousand years, as He said –be exalted –in the Quran 32: 4
اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ...
The explanation:
(It is God Who created the heavens and the earth and that which is between them in six [of the] days [of the Hereafter.] Then He mounted the throne …)

‘The heavens and the earth’ means the planets."

The Universe and the Quran
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Old 08-25-2015, 03:49 PM
 
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"We created the ceilings of all the rooms and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us"
Qur'an 50:38

This puts a new spin on things. Allah did not create the universe! He only created the ceilings of rooms and earth and whatever is between the ceilings of rooms and earth in six days!

So, some other god created the universe. Allah is just the ceiling and earth and moon god.
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Old 08-25-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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"We created the ceilings of all the rooms and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us"
Qur'an 50:38

This puts a new spin on things. Allah did not create the universe! He only created the ceilings of rooms and earth and whatever is between the ceilings of rooms and earth in six days!

So, some other god created the universe. Allah is just the ceiling and earth and moon god.
You only want to say words and don't want to understand; I said the word سماء or 'sky' in Arabic means everything above you, and it means when in singular:
The space and it means: the gaseous layers of the atmosphere.
And when in plural heavens it means: one of three:
1 the gaseous layers of the atmsophere
2 the ethereal or spiritual heavens or the kingdom of heavens or the paradises.
3 the material heavens which are the planets of the solar system including the earth.
So go to the links that I have given you in the post no. #20 of this thread, before starting joking and mocking, that is if you are any scientific as you claim.
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Old 08-25-2015, 05:05 PM
 
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"You only want to say words and don't want to understand;"

I could say the same about you. What you are posting makes no sense. You put words in 'allah's' mouth in a frantic attempt to make the unreasonable sound only slightly more reasonable.

I'm not buying it. A being who CREATED THE WHOLE STINKING UNIVERSE would know how to write a book that could be understood and would contain amazing scientific information. It would put Stephen Hawking to shame. The Quran is nonsense and no amount of trying to reword it helps.

Some supernatural being that is fascinated by women's menses and does not know where sperm comes from did not create the earth and/or universe in 2 or 6 thousand years. Or 2 or 6 days.
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:50 PM
 
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"You only want to say words and don't want to understand;"

I could say the same about you. What you are posting makes no sense. You put words in 'allah's' mouth in a frantic attempt to make the unreasonable sound only slightly more reasonable.

I'm not buying it. A being who CREATED THE WHOLE STINKING UNIVERSE would know how to write a book that could be understood and would contain amazing scientific information. It would put Stephen Hawking to shame. The Quran is nonsense and no amount of trying to reword it helps.

Some supernatural being that is fascinated by women's menses and does not know where sperm comes from did not create the earth and/or universe in 2 or 6 thousand years. Or 2 or 6 days.
Do you know Arabic? I think you know Arabic well.

Anyhow, your asserting that the Quran is non-sense indicates that you, out of your rancor, don't want to investigate it.

If anyone reasonable, he will say to me: Explain, how is that, and then after hearing my explanation, he may reply accordingly. But you took a stand beforehand; that's it; so I said you don't want to understand.

Moreover, there are many organizations and parties, secret and public, some of them are Christian parties and others are atheistic organizations ... they have programs, and want to insert doubts among Muslims and others about the Quran; so these are their programs, and they work according to such programs ... they don't want to consider .. only they want to spread their ideology by any means.

Anyhow, in my replies I will address the average educated English readers.
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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Many people nowadays took a situation to fight against God and His Commandments and against His Quran and against His noble messenger Mohammed - salam to him.
Therefore, they try to disprove the word of God in the Glorious Quran, by any means: like lies, cheating, distorting the words from their context.
E.g. the aya says 'the heavens and the earth' were created in six days: which means 6000 years, which was the period of time in which that initial sun had transformed into an earth with a cold crust.
So the aya clearly says: 'the heavens and the earth' while they say out of their lying: "The Quran says the earth was created in six days."

This is only an example, and by God's help I will expose their fabrications: so if they say: we don't know Arabic; I say how dare you speak about the Quran while you are so ignorant?

To such adversaries of the Quran, God promised them with a most severe chastisement in both this life of the World and in the Next Life, as in the Quran 34: 38, which means:
{ 38. And those who work to [void] Our revelations so as to frustrate [Our prophets d]; such will be given over into the doom e.}
.................................................. .............
d i.e. opposing them, denying their words; they aim from this to disable them from carrying out the mission.
e Continuously, they will never be absent from it.

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Old 08-26-2015, 03:17 PM
 
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"Anyhow, your asserting that the Quran is non-sense indicates that you, out of your rancor, don't want to investigate it."

No, it means that I have spent years investigating it and reading the hadith and the Quran and other Islamic writings and talking to thousands of Muslims and studying the history and reading pros and cons and looking at what is happening in the world today....and that lead me to a logical conclusion.

The Quran IS nonsense. Islam IS evil.

"Explain, how is that, and then after hearing my explanation, he may reply accordingly."

"Been there, done that. In fact, I gave Islam a much more through look and far more chances than it deserved.

What do you think of Scientology where the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago brought billions[4][5] of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans (immortal spirits) of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm.[1][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu
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Old 08-26-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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1.12 Earth Created before Stars

The author of the Qur'an is also unaware that the elements in the Earth's crust and core were first formed in stars. Modern science has proposed that all the elements that make up the earth (Oxygen, Nitrogen, Carbon, Iron, etc.) was originally formed by nucleosynthesis in stars and then expelled into the universe when those stars supernova. Yet the Qur'an describes the earth being formed before the stars and from "smoke" or material that pre-dates stars. All rocky and gaseous planets in the universe were formed in a similar manner to the earth and the Qur'an singling out the earth only further highlights the authors ignorance of the history of the formation of celestial objects.

(He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things.) Qur'an 2:29


Answer:
Here they took part of the aya, and misinterpreted it; this is like one who says: No god but God alone without associate or equal.
But he says part of this sentence: No god; of course it will be disbelief and blasphemy, unless he completes it:
No god but God alone without associate or equal.

So now, this is the entire aya as a whole not only part of it:
Qur'an 2:29, which means:
{He [: God] it is Who has created for you all [the mountains, rivers, plants and cattle] that are in the earth, then aimed at [building] the sky and fashioned them as seven heavens, and He is the All-Knowing about everything.a}
.................................................. ....................
a This aya has been explained in the book The Universe and the Quran , in the subject of The gaseous heavens
The Universe and the Quran

So the 'sky' or 'heaven' here means: the gaseous layers of the atmosphere, and of course it is created after creating the earth (and therefore, the earth has been mentioned before the heaven in the aya), because the gases of the atmosphere issued from the earth then by time of 2000 years they separated into distinct seven layers of the stratosphere, above the region of the cloud. while below the cloud, the troposphere where the wind exists and so its gases are mixture and not separated in distinct layers.
See the link above for more explanation.

NB, they said, out of their distorting the truth: "Earth Created before Stars", while no mention of any "stars" in the aya.

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"Qur'an 2:29, which means:
{He [: God] it is Who has created for you all [the mountains, rivers, plants and cattle] that are in the earth, then aimed at [building] the sky and fashioned them as seven heavens, and He is the All-Knowing about everything.a}"

Cattle did not come before the atmosphere. How would they breath?

A genetic study of cattle has claimed that all modern domesticated bovines are descended from a single herd of wild ox, which lived 10,500 years ago.
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:19 PM
 
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"Qur'an 2:29, which means:
{He [: God] it is Who has created for you all [the mountains, rivers, plants and cattle] that are in the earth, then aimed at [building] the sky and fashioned them as seven heavens, and He is the All-Knowing about everything.a}"

Cattle did not come before the atmosphere. How would they breath?

A genetic study of cattle has claimed that all modern domesticated bovines are descended from a single herd of wild ox, which lived 10,500 years ago.
God - be glorified - created the earth and prepared in it all the sustenance for the creatures which He would create later; this is like He created the breast of the woman and prepared it to secrete milk, that is before He created the baby; i.e. He prepared for him, his provision before He created the baby.

"God –be exalted –said also in the Quran 41: 9-12
قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَادًا ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ . وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ . ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى إِلَى السَّمَاء وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ اِئْتِيَا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ . فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ...
The explanation:
( [O Mohammed] say [to the idolaters]: “Do you, then, disbelieve in [God] Who created the earth in two days, and do you ascribe to Him opponents? –That is the Lord of [all] the worlds!”

“And He made [mountains] that landed upon it, blessed it, and apportioned therein its sustenance in four days; alike for those who ask [provision.]”
“Then He tended to [build]* the sky and it had been smoke; He said to it and to the earth, ‘Come, both of you, willingly or loath.’ The two said, ‘We [all] have come obedient.’
“And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days …etc.” )
[*i.e. to make the layers of the gaseous sky distinctive, and to build or to arrange it in successive layers.]"

">> (and apportioned therein its sustenance) means: He made the fall of rain upon it, and created the plant, trees and animals; to be as sustenance and provision for man; in other words: He apportioned these things as sustenance for man when He would create him on Earth; because He –be exalted –had created these things and prepared them for man before did He create man upon it, exactly just as had He created the breast of the woman before did He create the fetus in her womb."

The Universe and the Quran
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