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Old 09-06-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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it always amuses me that con man come up with all sorts of things that can never be proven. And what's more, you're bad if you ask for proof.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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it always amuses me that con man come up with all sorts of things that can never be proven. And what's more, you're bad if you ask for proof.
What proof do you have that your grand father's father's father was your great grand father?

Unless you can find his grave and start the DNA testing through chain of generations, you don't have a proof that you had a great grand father. Do you?

Give me a scientific proof that you had a great grand father. I don't want logical reasoning - I want a scientific proof and undeniable evidence.

Go start finding the grave now.
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:17 PM
 
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"What proof do you have that your grand father's father's father was your great grand father?"

None, and I don't care. My grand father's father's father is not a so-called prophet that demands terrorism and taking over the world and has 1.3 billion followers of this insanity today. My grand father's father's father is not making claims to represent the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE or BE THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE !!

Seriously. THINK. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan

And I'm not even making any claim about my supposed grand father's father's father. Why would I? It's Islam that is making the enormous claims.

Islam is the biggest con EVER.
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Old 11-22-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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Looks like Jackson Bradu left the building.
Nope, I'm still here
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Old 11-22-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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Nope, I'm still here
So as per your OP, seeing is believing?
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Old 11-22-2015, 12:19 PM
 
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So as per your OP, seeing is believing?
Yes, I need some kind of divine intervention

There are thousands of recorded deities in the history of mankind and many are threatening eternal torture if you pick against them so I need more than just books and "faith" when choosing what to believe in.
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Old 11-22-2015, 04:07 PM
 
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Yes, I need some kind of divine intervention

There are thousands of recorded deities in the history of mankind and many are threatening eternal torture if you pick against them so I need more than just books and "faith" when choosing what to believe in.
So you are saying you will believe only if you see it?
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Old 11-22-2015, 04:21 PM
 
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"What proof do you have that your grand father's father's father was your great grand father?"

None, and I don't care. My grand father's father's father is not a so-called prophet that demands terrorism and taking over the world and has 1.3 billion followers of this insanity today. My grand father's father's father is not making claims to represent the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE or BE THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE !!

Seriously. THINK. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." --Carl Sagan

And I'm not even making any claim about my supposed grand father's father's father. Why would I? It's Islam that is making the enormous claims.

Islam is the biggest con EVER.
All religions are the biggest con, ever. ALL OF THEM. Religion is the bane of human existence. If it were not for religion, the world would not be at war with each other to establish which god is the most correct.
Religious people live their entire lives worried about what will happen after they die instead of focusing on life trying to make the world a better place for our posterity.
Humans are really, really stupid.
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Old 11-22-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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Look, we can argue which religion is right until we're blue in the face. Is it a good idea to simply cut to the chase and ask Allah to show himself to me?

Has anyone ever done this?
Absolutely not..then of course I grew up with a healthy understanding of what does and HOW he does it!! They call it FAITH for a reason..God does NOT have to prove anything to anyone demanding it!!

How it's done is basically asking for a sign or something to assist you or maybe ask for forgiveness of some selfish deed you did...BUT SMH..Goag/Allah does NOT need to prove anything to us simple Human Form!!

IF you do NOT believe in the "Holy Spirit" fine and dandy..That's you..demanding an audience seems rather ..How should I say it??? Rather demanding..Trying to be kind.. My Bolded is a character trait very common amongst human kind..so you have many amongst your flock

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it always amuses me that con man come up with all sorts of things that can never be proven. And what's more, you're bad if you ask for proof.
Proof of a "Spirituality" is kind of silly..since Human beings actually are only a skin and flesh creature...Spirit is intangible..unless you are fortunate enough to sense, feel, acknowledge it's presence ...You are NOT ever considered "BAD" if you are unaware..It only mean's you lack faith of such a thing..No harm no foul!

Then of course..lacking faith..and those who go about ridiculing..bashing those who have it..is nothing but indicative of early evolution of your soul...

I say this above..because after talking with so many who have clinically died ..then got brought back..explained what they felt, learned and NOW appreciate why they are here on earth....I asked why?? They all said..because during that time..I came to understand!! yet couldn't explain why they did..but their experience was so understood immediately..They all came back with a "Mission in Life" to finish!!

The years of experiencing such things truly solidified my "Blind Faith" as a child and young adult..to something totally validating....Not all human beings are at the same stage of evolving souls

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So you are saying you will believe only if you see it?
I think it's pretty clear..OP may not believe anything without proof..but no doubt believes stories perpetuated by propagandists ..It's a human nature I guess
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Old 11-22-2015, 04:48 PM
 
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Absolutely not..then of course I grew up with a healthy understanding of what does and HOW he does it!! They call it FAITH for a reason..God does NOT have to prove anything to anyone demanding it!!

How it's done is basically asking for a sign or something to assist you or maybe ask for forgiveness of some selfish deed you did...BUT SMH..Goag/Allah does NOT need to prove anything to us simple Human Form!!

IF you do NOT believe in the "Holy Spirit" fine and dandy..That's you..demanding an audience seems rather ..How should I say it??? Rather demanding..Trying to be kind.. My Bolded is a character trait very common amongst human kind..so you have many amongst your flock



Proof of a "Spirituality" is kind of silly..since Human beings actually are only a skin and flesh creature...Spirit is intangible..unless you are fortunate enough to sense, feel, acknowledge it's presence ...You are NOT ever considered "BAD" if you are unaware..It only mean's you lack faith of such a thing..No harm no foul!

Then of course..lacking faith..and those who go about ridiculing..bashing those who have it..is nothing but indicative of early evolution of your soul...

I say this above..because after talking with so many who have clinically died ..then got brought back..explained what they felt, learned and NOW appreciate why they are here on earth....I asked why?? They all said..because during that time..I came to understand!! yet couldn't explain why they did..but their experience was so understood immediately..They all came back with a "Mission in Life" to finish!!

The years of experiencing such things truly solidified my "Blind Faith" as a child and young adult..to something totally validating....Not all human beings are at the same stage of evolving souls



I think it's pretty clear..OP may not believe anything without proof..but no doubt believes stories perpetuated by propagandists ..It's a human nature I guess
The "proof" to OP in this case is to "see".
So the oracle to verify is to visually see it. And I am trying to verify that, since he wanted God to "show" himself.
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