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Old 09-30-2015, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
"Islam is innocent of the actions of governments"

Are you joking? Islam is not secular!

"The application of Islamic law
Will provide safety and protection and happiness"

No, it will not. Islam is a backwards ideology. Consider this:

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000 or roughly 20% of the world's population. Muslims have received the following Nobel Prizes...omitting the worthless 'Peace' Prize - I'm talking SCIENCES:


1988 - Naguib Mahfouz
2006 - Orhan Pamuk




1999 - Ahmed Zewail


1979 - Mohammad Abdus Salam

Salam was buried in Bahishti Maqbara, a cemetery established by the Ahmadiyya Community at Rabwah, Punjab, Pakistan, next to his parents' graves. The epitaph on his tomb initially read "First Muslim Nobel Laureate". The word "Muslim" was later obscured on the orders of a local magistrate, leaving "First Nobel Laureate". Under Ordinance XX, Being an Ahmadiyya, he was considered a non-Muslim according to the definition provided in the II Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan.
-- Abdus Salam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 6 Nobel Prize Recipients

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 or about 0.2% of the world's population.

Jews that have received the following Nobel Prizes:

(34 prize winners, 22% of world total, 33% of US total)

1905 - Adolph von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Voit 168 Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstätter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Perutz
1972 - Christian B. Anfinsen
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert C. Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Jerome Karle
1985 - Herbert Hauptman
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph A. Marcus
1994 - George Andrew Olah
1996 - Harold Kroto
1998 - Walter Kohn
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
2004 - Aaron Ciechanover
2004 - Avram Hershko
2004 - Irwin Rose
2006 - Roger D. Kornberg
2008 - Martin Chalfie
2009 - Ada Yonath
2011 - Dan Shechtman
2012 - Robert Lefkowitz
2013 - Arieh Warshel
2013 - Michael Levitt

(29 prize winners, 39% of world total, 50% of US total)

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
1994 - John Harsanyi
1994 - Reinhard Selten
1997 - Robert Merton
1997 - Myron Scholes
2001 - George Akerlof
2001 - Joseph Stiglitz
2002 - Daniel Kahneman
2005 - Robert Aumann
2007 - Leonid (Leo) Hurwicz
2007 - Eric Maskin
2007 - Roger Myerson
2008 - Paul Krugman
2009 - Elinor Ostrom
2010 - Peter Diamond
2012 - Alvin Roth

(13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
2002 - Imre Kertész
2004 - Elfriede Jelinek
2005 - Harold Pinter
2014 - Patrick Modiano

(9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
1995 - Sir Joseph Rotblat

(51 prize winners, 26% of world total, 37% of US total)

1907 - Albert A. Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1943 - Otto Stern
1944 - Isidor Isaac Rabi
1945 - Wolfgang Pauli
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Ilya Frank
1959 - Emilio Gino Segrè
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1962 - Lev Landau
1963 - Eugene Wigner
1965 - Richard Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1967 - Hans Bethe
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - Leon Cooper
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Ben Roy Mottelson
1976 - Burton Richter
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1979 - Sheldon Lee Glashow
1979 - Steven Weinberg
1987 - Karl Alexander Müller
1988 - Leon M. Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1990 - Jerome Isaac Friedman
1992 - Georges Charpak
1995 - Martin Lewis Perl
1995 - Frederick Reines
1996 - David Morris Lee
1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 - Zhores Alferov
2003 - Alexei Alexeyevich Abrikosov
2003 - Vitaly Ginzburg
2004 - David Gross
2004 - H. David Politzer
2005 - Roy J. Glauber
2010 - Andre Geim
2011 - Adam Riess
2011 - Saul Perlmutter
2012 - Serge Haroche
2013 - François Englert

(55 prize winners, 27% of world total, 40% of US total)

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Brown
1985 - Joseph Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen
1986 - Rita Levi-Montalcini
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1992 - Edmond Fischer
1994 - Alfred G. Gilman
1994 - Martin Rodbell
1997 - Stanley Prusiner
1998 - Robert Furchgott
2000 - Paul Greengard
2000 - Eric Kandel
2002 - Sydney Brenner
2002 - H. Robert Horvitz
2004 - Richard Axel
2006 - Andrew Z. Fire
2011 - Bruce Beutler
2011 - Ralph Steinman
2013 - James Rothman
2013 - Randy Schekman

TOTAL: 193 (ONE HUNDRED NINETY THREE) Nobel Prize Recipients!

Why is this? Why do Jews contribute so much and Muslims contribute so little?
Do we know the religious beliefs of all Nobel Prize winners?

Not all Muslims have Arabic names or have Mideastern ancestry.

I don't think listing one's religion is a criteria for Nobel Prize eligibility.---or is it?

84% of the Nobel Prize winners have been Christians or Jewish.
60% of the prizes have been won by Christians and 24% by Jews. Yet Christians are only 32% of The world's population and Jews 0.2%

67.8% of the world's population has only won 16% of the Nobel prizes.

You may find part of an answer in this article by an Atheist

What proportion of nobel prize winners are atheist?
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TLR version: It is impossible to say with any certainty and even if you knew with certainty it would hold no more weight in a debate then the opinion of any single random bum on the street is likely to have.
Perhaps the answer is "Who makes up the Nobel Selection Committee"

The Norwegian Nobel Committee

The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of five, appointed by the Storting (the Norwegian parliament).
The Norwegian Nobel Committee 2015


Kaci Kullmann Five (Chairman)
Adviser Public Affairs
Berit Reiss-Andersen
Lawyer, President of the Norwegian Bar Association
Inger-Marie Ytterhorn
Senior political adviser to the Progress Party's Parliamentary Group
Henrik Syse
Olav Njølstad (Secretary)
According to the rules laid down by the Storting, election to the committee is for a six-year term, and members can be re-elected. The committee's composition reflects the relative strengths of the political parties in the Storting. Although this is not a requirement, all committee members have been Norwegian nationals.

That is just for the Peace prize, but if you go to the link you can find the individual committees.
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"That is just for the Peace prize,"

I am addressing the hard sciences.

"Do we know the religious beliefs of all Nobel Prize winners?"

Yes, we do.

"84% of the Nobel Prize winners have been Christians or Jewish. 60% of the prizes have been won by Christians and 24% by Jews. Yet Christians are only 32% of The world's population and Jews 0.2%"

And all the world’s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge, does. You'd think with all that help from allah giving amazing scientific facts in the Quran that Muslims would be leading the pack, not failing miserably.
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Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
"That is just for the Peace prize,"

I am addressing the hard sciences.

"Do we know the religious beliefs of all Nobel Prize winners?"

Yes, we do.

"84% of the Nobel Prize winners have been Christians or Jewish. 60% of the prizes have been won by Christians and 24% by Jews. Yet Christians are only 32% of The world's population and Jews 0.2%"

And all the world’s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge, does. You'd think with all that help from allah giving amazing scientific facts in the Quran that Muslims would be leading the pack, not failing miserably.

How many Chinese have won the Nobel prize? There are 1.327 Billion people in China and only 7 Chinese Nobel Prize Laureates.


Point being there seems to be some bias involved.

A little over 1/2 the world's Jews live in Israel, but only12 Israelis have won the Nobel and 3 of them won the Peace Prize. While 181 were won by Jews that do not live in Israel, but both populations are nearly equal.
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"Point being there seems to be some bias involved."

OK, list the wonderful things that Muslims have invented that deserved a Nobel Prize.
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"Point being there seems to be some bias involved."

OK, list the wonderful things that Muslims have invented that deserved a Nobel Prize.
Here is a link to some inventions


Mor importantly here are some current Muslim Doctors and Scientists and their contributions.

Islam's Contributions to Medicine and Medicine Facts

Iranian scientist Samuel Rahbar was a pioneer in hematology and the understanding of diabetes. In 1969, he discovered glycosylated hemoglobin (HbA1C), a form of hemoglobin used primarily to identify plasma glucose concentration over time. He was also the first to describe its increase in diabetes.

Chickenpox was also first indentified by Al-Razi, who clearly distinguished it from smallpox and measles. The Comprehensive Book of Medicine, especially with its introduction of measles, smallpox and chickenpox, was very influential in Europe.

The study of allergology and immunology originate from the Islamic world. Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes) was responsible for discovering "allergic asthma", and was the first physician known to have written articles on allergy and the immune system. In the Sense of Smelling, he explains the occurrence of rhinitis after smelling a rose during the Spring. In the Article on the Reason Why Abou Zayd Balkhi Suffers from Rhinitis When Smelling Roses in Spring, he dicusses seasonal rhinitis, which is the same as allergic asthma or hay fever. Al-Razi was the first to realize that fever is a natural defense mechanism, the body's way of fighting disease. The distinction between smallpox and measles also dates back to al-Razi. The medical procedure of inoculation was practiced in the medieval Islamic world in order to treat smallpox. This was later followed by the first smallpox vaccine in the form of cowpox, invented in Turkey in the early 18th century

In hematology, Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis) wrote the first description on haemophilia, a hereditary genetic disorder, in his Al-Tasrif, in which he wrote of an Andalusian family whose males died of bleeding after minor injuries.

The first psychiatric hospitals and insane asylums were built in the Islamic world as early as the 8th century. The first psychiatric hospitals were built by Arab Muslims in Baghdad in 705, Fes in the early 8th century, and Cairo in 800.

Ibn al-Haytham (Alhacen) made important contributions to ophthalmology and eye surgery, as he studied and correctly explained the process of sight and visual perception for the first time in his Book of Optics, published in 1021.He was also the first to hint at the retina being involved in the process of image formation.

Ibn al-Nafis, in The Polished Book on Experimental Ophthalmology, discovered that the muscle behind the eyeball does not support the ophthalmic nerve, that they do not get in contact with it, and that the optic nerves transect but do not get in touch with each other. He also discovered many new treatments for glaucoma and the weakness of vision in one eye when the other eye is affected by disease.

Muslim physicians set up the earliest dedicated hospitals in the modern sense, known as Bimaristans, which were establishments where the ill were welcomed and cared for by qualified staff, and which were clearly distinguished from the ancient healing temples, sleep temples, hospices, asylums, lazarets and leper-houses which were more concerned with isolating the sick and the mad (insane) from society "rather than to offer them any way to a true cure. "These contrasted with hospitals in Christian Europe which were more concerned with prayer. The Bimaristan hospitals later functioned as the first public hospitals, psychiatric hospitals and diploma-granting medical universities.

Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), regarded as the father of modern surgery, contributed greatly to the discipline of medical surgery with his Kitab al-Tasrif ("Book of Concessions"), a 30-volume medical encyclopedia published in 1000, which was later translated to Latin and used in European medical schools for centuries. He invented numerous surgical instruments and described them in his al-Tasrif.

Like in other fields of Islamic science, Muslim physicians and doctors developed the first scientific methods for the field of medicine. This included the introduction of mathematization, quantification, experimentation, experimental medicine, evidence-based medicine, clinical trials, dissection, animal testing, human experimentation and postmortem autopsy by Muslim physicians, whilst hospitals in the Islamic world featured the first drug tests, drug purity regulations, and competency tests for doctors.

In the 10th century, Razi (Rhazes) introduced controlled experiment and clinical observation into the field of medicine, and rejected several Galenic medical theories unverified by experimentation. The earliest known medical experiment was carried out by Razi in order to find the most hygienic place to build a hospital. He hung pieces of meat in places throughout 10th century Baghdad and observed where the meat decomposed least quickly, and that was where he built the hospital. In his Comprehensive Book of Medicine, Razi recorded clinical cases of his own experience and provided very useful recordings of various diseases. In his Doubts about Galen, Razi was also the first to prove both Galen's theory of humorism and Aristotle's theory of classical elements false using experimentation. He also introduced urinalysis and stool tests.

Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) (1091-1161) was one of the earliest physicians known to have carried out human dissection and postmortem autopsy. He proved that the skin disease scabies was caused by a parasite, a discovery which upset the theory of humorism supported by Hippocrates and Galen. The removal of the parasite from the patient's body did not involve purging, bleeding, or any other traditional treatments associated with the four humours.

Muslim physicians were pioneers in pulsology and sphygmology. In ancient times, Galen as well as Chinese physicians erroneously believed that there was a unique type of pulse for every organ of the body and for every disease. Galen also erroneously believed that "every part of an artery pulsates simultaneously" and that the motion of the pulse was due to natural motions (the arteries expanding and contracting naturally) as opposed to forced motions (the heart causing the arteries to either expand or contract). The first correct explanations of pulsation were given by Muslim physicians.

Avicenna was a pioneer of sphygmology after he refined Galen's theory of the pulse and discovered the following in The Canon of Medicine:

"Every beat of the pulse comprises two movements and two pauses. Thus, expansion : pause : contraction : pause. [...] The pulse is a movement in the heart and arteries ... which takes the form of alternate expansion and contraction."

Avicenna also pioneered the modern approach of examining the pulse through the examination of the wrist, which is still practiced in modern times. His reasons for choosing the wrist as the ideal location is due to it being easily available and the patient not needing to be distressed at the exposure of his/her body. The Latin translation of his Canon also laid the foundations for the later invention of the sphygmograph

In etiology and epidemiology, Muslim physicians were responsible for the discovery of infectious disease and the immune system, advances in pathology, and early hypotheses related to bacteriology and microbiology. Their discovery of contagious disease in particular is considered revolutionary and is one of the most important discoveries in medicine. The earliest ideas on contagion can be traced back to several hadiths attributed to Muhammad (pbuh) in the 7th century, who is said to have understood the contagious nature of leprosy, mange, and sexually transmitted disease. These early ideas on contagion arose from the generally sympathetic attitude of Muslim physicians towards lepers (who were often seen in a negative light in other ancient and medieval societies) which can be traced back through hadiths attributed to Muhammad and to the following advice given in the Qur'an:

"There is no fault in the blind, and there is no fault in the lame, and there is no fault in the sick."

This eventually led to the theory of contagious disease, which was fully understood by Avicenna in the 11th century. By then, the pathology of contagion had been fully understood, and as a result, hospitals were created with separate wards for specific illnesses, so that people with contagious diseases could be kept away from other patients who do not have any contagious diseases.

Islamic Medical Student Association

In the field of Medicine there are Doctors such as DR. SUHEIR ASSADY, who has done considerable work in the field of Nephrology. She has a very impressive biography

"I intend to continue in the course they have set - the path of distinguished
nephrologists - to combine humane medical approaches that heighten patient
welfare through advanced departmental research, and strive for excellence in
teaching and training, thus leaving a rich medical legacy to future


There is also the Muslim Cardiologist Samir Fawzi Saba, MD another impressive Muslim doctor
Samir Fawzi Saba, MD - Find A Doctor, UPMC | University of Pittsburgh Medical Center

Some notable Muslim doctors in the fields of Neurology and Neurosurgery
Adnan Adib Abla, MD--http://findadoc.upmc.com/PhysicianBioQuery.aspx?EPCDID=1398
Islam Zaydan, MD--https://www.doximity.com/pub/islam-zaydan-md

Actually there are very many very prominant Muslim doctors in the USA-- while Muslims are only 2% of the American population, 10% of American doctors are Muslim
Muslims Don't Contribute to America? Think Again
American Muslims have a substantial presence in the health care industry. The Islamic Medical Association of North America, one of many such organizations,estimates that there are more than 20,000 Muslim physicians in the United States. Similarly, an analysis of statistics provided by the American Medical Association indicatesthat 10% of all American physicians are Muslims. While no Islamic hospitals exist in the United States, per se, several Muslim-based health clinics do. And let’s not forget that the hospital itself is not an American invention — it’s an Egyptian one. For that matter, the father of modern surgery wasn’t an American Protestant pioneer, either, but a 10th-Century Muslim physician from Spain, Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi.
Muslims Don't Contribute to America? Think Again

Originator of the Human Development Index, which turns 20 this year

Dr Mahbub ul Haq was born on 22 February 1934 in the erstwhile princely state of Jammu and Kashmir in undivided India. He studied at the Government College, Lahore and thereafter at King’s College and Trinity College, where he obtained a degree in economics. He then proceeded to Yale University, where he obtained a doctorate in economics.

Dr Mahbub ul Haq had a distinguished career as an academic administrator and advisor. He served as the World Bank’s Director of Policy Planning from 1970 to 1982. During his tenure he made a significant contribution to the World Bank’s approach to the philosophy and policy of development. Under his influence the Bank came to focus on people’s well-being rather than on economic indicators and consequently launched poverty alleviation programmes and made substantial allocations for social sectors such as education, nutrition and water supply.

Dr Haq joined the government of Pakistan in 1982 as Minister of Finance, Planning and Commerce and served in that capacity until 1988. As a minister he was instrumental in launching several initiatives for poverty alleviation and social spending and for the deregulation of the economy and tax reforms.The issue of human development was the closest to Dr Haq’s heart from the beginning of his career. His close association with the United Nations Human Development Programme provided him an opportunity to give a concrete shape to his ideas on human development.

He was Special Advisor to the UNDP from 1989 to 1985. His pioneering and enduring work at the UNDP was the production of the Human Development Report. As Project Director of the Human Development Report, Dr Haq gathered a team of distinguished economists, including Paul Streeten, Amartya Sen (who was his colleague at Trinity College, Cambridge and who won the Nobel Prize in 1998), Frances Steward and Richard Jolly, who were closely involved in the production of the Human Development Reports.In 1996 Dr Haq left the UNDP to establish the Human Development Centre in Islamabad, Pakistan, a policy research institute devoted to carrying out research and policy studies in the field of human development, with a special focus on South Asia.

Dr Haq died on 16 July 1998 in New York, leaving behind his wife, Khadija Haq, and two children. After his death, the Human Development Centre at Islamabad was renamed as the Mahbub ul Haq Human Development Centre. In his honour, the UNDP instituted an Award for Outstanding Contribution to Human Development.
Well know Muslim scientists in 20th century

Mostafa A. El-Sayed

Professor Mostafa A. El-Sayed received his BSc degree at Ain Shams University, Cairo, Egypt and his Ph.D. at Florida State University, USA. He was a Research Associate at Yale, Harvard and the California Institute of Technology. He then became a faculty member at the department of Chemistry and Biochemistry at UCLA until 1994, when he moved to Georgia Tech as the Julius Brown Chair and Regent Professor.El-Sayed was the editor-in-chief of the J.Physical chemistry for 25 years and is serving now on the advisory boards of the NSF, the DOE–BESAC and for several DOE Nano-Centers across the USA. He and his group did research in many areas of chemical, bio-physical, nano-science and nanotechnology.

His group has over 590 publications in peer-reviewed journals and from the citations to their work in the past decade; Science Watch ranked number four among Academic Chemistry researchers Worldwide.

El-Sayed is an Elected Member of the US National Academy of Sciences (1980), an Elected Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (1986), an Elected Associate Member of the Third World Academy of Sciences (1984); an Inaugural Fellow of the American Chemical Society, the American Physical Society, the American Association for the Advancement of Sciences. He is an elected Honorary Fellow of the Indian and the Chinese Chemical Societies.He has received the King Faisal International Prize in the Sciences (chemistry) and a number of USA national awards.

El-Sayed is the recipient of a number of honorary Doctoral Degrees from several international Universities. He has also served as a Von Humboldt senior fellow in Germany, a visiting Professor at Orsay, France, the Fairchild Professor at Cal Tech and visiting Miller Professor at UC Berkeley.El-Sayed received the 2007 USA National Medal of Sciences from the President of the USA in 2008 and in 2009 he received the Medal of the Egyptian Republic of the First Class from the President of Egypt.
Well know Muslim scientists in 20th century
Dr Farouk El-Baz

Dr Farouk El-Baz is Research Professor and Director of the Center for Remote Sensing at Boston University. He received a BSc degree (1958) in chemistry and geology from Ain Shams University, Cairo, Egypt; an MS degree (1961); and a PhD degree (1964) both in geology and both from the University of Missouri-Rolla. He taught geology at Assiut University, Egypt (1958-1960), and at the University of Heidelberg, Germany (1964-1966). In 1989, he received an honorary Doctor of Science degree from the New England College, Henniker, New Hampshire, USA.

He participated in the Apollo program from 1967 to 1972 as Supervisor of Lunar Science and of Lunar Exploration at Bellcomm Inc., Bell Laboratories, Washington DC. During these six years, he was secretary of the site selection committee for NASA's Apollo lunar landings, chairman of the astronaut training group, and principal investigator for visual observations and photography. 1973-1983, he established and directed the Center for Earth and Planetary Studies at the National Air and Space Museum, Smithsonian Institution, Washington DC. 1982-1986, he was Vice-President for International Development and for Science and Technology at Itek Optical Systems of Lexington, Massachusetts.Dr El-Baz served on the Steering Committee of Earth Sciences of the Smithsonian Institution and the Arid and Semi-Arid Research Needs Panel of the National Science Foundation. He also served as Science Advisor to the late Anwar Sadat, President of Egypt (1978-1981).

He is known for his pioneering work in the applications of space photography to the understanding of arid terrain, particularly the location of groundwater resources and has contributed to interdisciplinary field investigations in all major deserts of the world.Dr El-Baz is President of the Arab Society of Desert Research. He has received many honors and awards including: NASA's Apollo Achievement Award, Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal and Special Recognition Award; the Certificate of Merit of the World Aerospace Education Organization; and the Arab Republic of Egypt Order of Merit - First Class. He also received the 1989 Outstanding Achievement Award of the Egyptian American Organization, and the 1992 Award for Public Understanding of Science and Technology of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He also received the 1996 Michael T Halbouty Human Needs Award of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists.Dr Farouk El-Baz was elected a Fellow of the IAS in 1998
Well know Muslim scientists in 20th century

Dr. Hulusi Behçet.
He described a disease of inflamedblood vessels in 1937, which is named after him as the Behçet's disease.

Dr. Hulusi Behçet (1889-1948) is a famous Turkish dermatologist. He was born in Istanbul on February 20, 1889. His father was Ahmet Behçet and his mother Ayqse Behçet was also Ahmet's cousin. After the Turkish Republic was established and the "Family Name Law" was accepted, his father Ahmet Behçet, who was among the friends of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of Turkish Republic, received private permission to use his father's name Behçet.Dr. Hulusi Behçet pursued his education at Gülhane Military Medical Academy.

After he had become a medical doctor, he specialized in dermatology and venereal disease at Gülhane Military Medical Academy and he completed his specialization in 1914. His first observations on Behçet's Disease started with a patient he met between 1924-1925. Dr. Behçet followed the symptoms of three patients whom he had had for years, then he decided that they were the symptoms of a new disease (1936). He published these cases in the Archives of Dermatology and Veneral Disease.
Well know Muslim scientists in 20th century
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"Iranian scientist Samuel Rahbar was a pioneer in hematology and the understanding of diabetes. "

ummmm....he was JEWISH.

"Rahbar was born into a Jewish family in the Iranian city of Hamedan in 1929. "


And this is the first guy on your list! I'm not going to spend my time looking further until you check your list. Make sure the discovery/invention was as good as, or better, than the competition. And alert the site you copied this from to correct their data.
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OK, I got curious and looked at one more, who sounded familiar.

"Chickenpox was also first indentified by Al-Razi, who clearly distinguished it from smallpox and measles. "

He was great! I especially like his thoughts on religion:

"You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: "Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one." Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. ... By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: “Produce something like it?!"

ROFL!!! I love it!!

I'm going to guess no one would consider him a Muslim. In fact, Muslims would slaughter him for that, or this:

"Custom, tradition, and intellectual laziness lead men to follow their religious leaders blindly. Religions have been the sole cause of the bloody wars that have ravaged mankind. Religions have also been resolutely hostile to philosophical speculation and to scientific research. The so-called holy scriptures are worthless and have done more harm than good, whereas the writings of the ancients like Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and Hippocrates have rendered much greater service to humanity."

I'd give him the Nobel PEACE prize, also!

Except there's a problem. He died in 925 CE and Nobel Prizes are not given to the deceased. So I have no idea why you included him on your list on TWO counts!!

But to honor him, let's read one more of his quotes:

" As for the Koran, it is but an assorted mixture of ‘absurd and inconsistent fables,’ which has ridiculously been judged inimitable, when, in fact, its language, style, and its much-vaunted ‘eloquence’ are far from being faultless."

OK, your copy/paste of the first two are sadly lacking so I really must stop spending time here.

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Old 10-01-2015, 04:27 PM
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In the Holy Qur'an

Lots and lots of miracles, material and scientific and medical all areas
Mentioned by modern science

-- "scientific miracles of islam
Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) spoke very carefully about a scientific fact realized by scientists few years ago. He said ( God will not held day of resurrection unless Arab land returns greens and rivers again ) [Narrated by Muslim.]

scientifically, it was proved that one day the Arabian peninsula was full of greens and rivers as satellite photos confirm that there are buried rivers under the sand of Arab land , one of the great scientists of the American space agency (NASA) says that the taken photos for the desert had shown that one day this area was covered with rivers and lakes like Europe and one day in the future it will back again like the past."


Exact match between the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith and science
In all fields of medicine - Astronomy - Heaven - earth - space - self 00000
And the testimony of scientists

must study Quran and Hadith

Will say allah akbar
Science students in america convert to islam

Why Many Scientist convert to Islam (part 1).

Why Many Scientists convert to Islam _ (part 2).

الإسلام هو اختياري Islam - My Choice

European Scientist converts to Islam






53. We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'an) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?

allah guided you


what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lions, tigers, leopards, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like goats, cattle, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people.
2. The Quran says Prophet prohibits what is bad

The Quran says: The Prophet commands them what is just and prohibits what is evil. He allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them what is bad (and impure), [Al-Araf 7: 157]

So take what the Messenger assigns to you and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. [Al-Hashr 59: 7]

For a Muslim, the Prophets statement is sufficient to convince him that Allah does not wish humans to eat some kinds of meat while allowing some other kinds.
3. Hadith prohibiting eating of carnivorous animals

According to various authentic Ahaadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sahih Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter, Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-i-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (Pbuh) prohibited the eating of:

(I) Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lions, tigers, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.

(Ii) Certain rodents like mice, rats, rabbits with claws, etc.

(Iii) Certain reptiles like snakes, alligators, etc.

(Iv) Birds of prey with talons or claws, like vultures, eagle, crows, owl, etc.

Why Killing Animals for Food?


إسلام إمراة هندوسية من الهند - د ذاكر نايك Dr ZakirNaik youtube


ماذا حدث لشاب ياباني عندما مرض؟ مؤثر #بالقرآن_اهتديت٢ ح ١٩ His Sickness Made Him a Muslim youtube

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So again, with all this scientific knowledge and all these scientists converting to Islam, why aren't Muslims winning tons of Nobel Prizes? The Jews have you all beat in every category by miles!

I never hear of amazing inventions and discoveries coming from Muslims. The west even had to show you how to extract oil! And without that knowledge and income you'd be in REALLY sad shape!!

Another point: Many of the discoveries from centuries back that Muslims claim as theirs were not from Muslims.

This is a great video to watch and answers the question: If Muslims were so brilliant back then, what happened to that brilliance? Why are Muslims today so very backwards? Where are the Muslim Nobel Laureates? The great creators and inventors? The Bill Gates and Steve Jobs of Islam??

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RELIGION and SCIENCE have always been considered to be twin sisters by Islam and today at a time when science has taken great strides, they still continue to be associated. Furthermore, certain scientific data are used for a better understanding of the Qur’anic text. In a century where, for many, scientific truth has dealt a deathblow to religious belief, it is precisely the discoveries of science that, in an objective examination of the Islamic Revelation, have highlighted the supernatural character of various aspects of the Revelation.

In fact Professor Moore was so amazed at the accuracy of the descriptions and the terminology used for the various stages of the development of the embryo that he modified his own textbook on the subject. He incorporated all the relevant Qur’anic passages and authentic statements of the Prophet Muhammad into his book, The Developing Human: Clinically oriented embryology with Islamic additions, which was published by WB Saunders in 1987 and was a standard university textbook in the United States. The book now contains passages of the Qur’an and the Hadeeth (verified statements of the Prophet Muhammad) for every stage of development and Professor Moore has also adopted the classification used in the above two sources.

Consider also the statement of Tejatet Tejasen (Professor at the Dept. of Anatomy, Faculty of Medicine, Chiang Mei University, Thailand) after his study on the Qur’an passages dealing with embryology: "From my studies and what I have learnt at this conference I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur’an 1400 years ago must be true. That can be proved the scientific way". Also the statement of E. Marshal Johnson (Professor and Chairman, Dept. of Anatomy, Daniel Bough Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, USA) when he became aware of such statements in the Qur’an and investigated them: "The Qur’an describes not only the development of external form but emphasizes also the internal stages - the stages inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science... If I was to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described... I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved..."

Upon being presented with hadeeths (verified statements of the Prophet Muhammad) concerning dominant and recessive characteristics Joe Leigh Simpson (Professor of Obstretics and Gynecology, Northwestern University Medical School, Chicago, Illinois, USA) said: "... these Hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the’writer’... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur’an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur’an having been derived from God".

Consider also the statement of T.V.N. Persaud (Professor and Head, Dept. of Anatomy, Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry, University of Manitoba, Canada): "Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn’t read, didn’t know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate... were talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature... I personally can’t see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements".

These are just a number of quotes from the "Scientific Community" regarding the nature and the origins of the Qur’an. In fact the Qur’an and Hadeeth do not just talk about embryology but hundreds of other phenomenon including the earth and sun being round, spinning around their own axis and following their own orbits, the origin and formation of the universe, the two types of seas between which is a barrier, the role of mountains in stabilising the earths crust, the formation of milk in cows, the cause of sexual diseases, the location of pain receptors within the body, the expansion of the universe, the precise nature of the water cycle, the change in atmospheric pressure at high altitudes, the gender of the bee which is responsible for producing honey (female), the stars consuming themselves via the combustion of their gases and this being the source of their light and many more.

One will be surprised to learn that such a scientific approach has been commanded in the Qur’an with the objective of ascertaining its truthfulness.

Do they not carefully consider (investigate) the Qur’an or are there locks upon their hearts. [Surah 47:24]

Do they not carefully analyse the Quran. If it had been from other than Allaah then surely they would have found many discrepancies therein [Surah 4:82]

So religious (that is Islamic) beliefs are not based upon blind acceptance as many have generalised to all religions and thus falsely attributed to the Qur’an and Islam. This has been the experience of Europe in the past 3-400 years in which scientific advancement and its findings were seen as heretical, its proponents ridiculed and often exiled and tortured. Islam has never had that experience.

It is true that peoples academic capabilities differ and thus some will be unable to ascertain the truth of it and therefore may accept it blindly. But again they have the opportunity to ask the people of knowledge, those who are in a position to make such a judgement, like those quoted above. It is from the principles of wisdom and justice that when you don’t know you don’t make a judgement yourself but rather consult one who is in a position to do so. In fact this is something Allaah has also commanded:

So ask the People of Knowledge if you do not know [Surah 21:7]

and He has also said

And those who have been given Knowledge know that that which has been revealed to you from your Lord is the Truth [Surah 34:6]

This is a clear proof of the lack of the dependance upon dogma, superstition and personal experience and an indication of the obligation to research, ascertain and to verify in a scientific manner the credibility of religious (Islamic) belief. Fortunately there are those who have done exactly that like Keith Moore and his scientific colleagues but there are others who have invented lies and slanders in order to discredit the Qur’an and the Prophet. However when these lies and slanders are put to the test scientifically they fail miserably and their irrationality and bias becomes evident. Some of the common claims are that Muhammad was possessed or was an eloquent poet or was a magician or was one who was brainwashed or was a soothsayer. In fact all of these have been denied and rebutted in the Qur’an itself in numerous places and numerous times. It is even more strange that these were the very same claims made by the people who belied the Prophet during his lifetime, and they are the only ones that are resorted to today. What a great advancement!

Nay! We hurl the Truth against falsehood and it does smash it’s brains and thus it perishes. And woe be to you for what you describe (with your tongues) [Surah 21:18]


slaughtered by mentioning Bismillaah ("in the Name of Allaah") and Takbeer ("Allaahu Akbar") is completely free of all disease-causing germs, while the meat that does not have the Name of Allaah mentioned when it is slaughtered is full of germs and congested with blood.

A team of researchers and university professors in Syria made this scientific discovery that explains the remarkable difference regarding the absence of germs in meat that is slaughtered with Takbeer, in comparison to the meat that does not have Takbeer mentioned when it is slaughtered.

A group of 30 specialists in different branches of medicine such as laboratory medicine, pathology, food sciences, anatomical pathology, animal health, digestive diseases and the digestive system conducted laboratory experiments over a period of three years to study the difference between animals slaughtered with mentioning the Name of Allaah and the animals slaughtered without mentioning the Name of Allaah upon them.

The research affirmed the importance of mentioning the Name of Allaah (Bismllaah and Allaahu Akbar) on the animal at the time of slaughter. Dr. Khaalid Halaawah, spokesman for this group of researchers, explains that repeated tests showed that the tissues of the animals that did not have the Name of Allaah and Takbeer mentioned at their slaughter were congested with blood, and full of colonies of pathogens (disease-causing microorganisms). On the other hand, the meat of the animal that had been slaughtered with the mention of Bismillaah and Allaahu Akbar was free of germs and completely drained of all blood.

In his interview with Kuna News Agency, Dr. Halaawah added that this great discovery is a scientific breakthrough in the field of the consumer health and safety.

Another member of the team of researchers, Professor ‘Abdul-Qaadir Al-Deeraani said,

“People have not yet realized the wisdom behind mentioning the Name of Allaah on the slaughtered animal. Consequently, they neglect and leave off pronouncing the Name of Allaah and Takbeer when the cattle and birds are slaughtered. This, however, made me introduce this issue with an academic and scientific approach, showing its importance and significance for human society. I based this study upon the explanation of the eminent scholar Muhammad Ameen Sheekho in his Quranic teachings and lessons, that the animal that is slaughtered without mentioning the Name of Allaah on it will have blood remaining therein and cannot be in any way free from germs.”

It is worth mentioning here that Allaah The Almighty has commanded mentioning Bismillaah when slaughtering animals. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means):

{So eat of that [meat] upon which the Name of Allaah has been mentioned, if you are believers in His verses.} [Quran 6: 18]

{And do not eat of that upon which the Name of Allaah has not been mentioned, for indeed, it is grave disobedience.} [Quran 6: 121]

{And those upon which the Name of Allaah is not mentioned.} [Quran 6: 138]

How Muhammad (saw) changed my life - Story of Ibrahim Karir - Revert from Hinduism youtube


My Journey To Islam Sister Iman Abdullah From London youtube

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