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Old 09-13-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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once again, I am NOT talking about apologizing. I'm talking about speaking out against the evil that took place on 9/11. And speaking for the heroism that did take place on 9/11.on all of the websites I visited, including this one, no Muslims we're speaking out against the horror of 9/11 or about the heroism on 9/11.
Maybe because people don't want to talk about it each year.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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I went to many different discussion forums and although I saw many Americans speaking out about 9:11, I did not see any of the Muslims doing the same thing.on forums I did not see them speaking out on non religious forums I did not see them speaking out on religious forums.This was my first hand observation.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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I went to many different discussion forums and although I saw many Americans speaking out about 9:11, I did not see any of the Muslims doing the same thing.on forums I did not see them speaking out on non religious forums I did not see them speaking out on religious forums.This was my first hand observation.
and why should we continuously speak out about 9/11. Should people of Japanese Ancestry speak out against Pearl Harbor every Dec 7 ?

The world will be better off when we all can put 9/11 behind us and move forward. It was a disater to Muslims and non-Muslims alike and we all need to work towards mutual coexistence.
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Old 09-13-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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I went to many different discussion forums and although I saw many Americans speaking out about 9:11, I did not see any of the Muslims doing the same thing.on forums I did not see them speaking out on non religious forums I did not see them speaking out on religious forums.This was my first hand observation.
and you know for a fact none of those Americans were Muslim? Many American Muslims avoid Islamic Forums. A good example is here as best as I can determine only 2 American Muslims post here, Myself and one other.

If I did not make it a point to constantly point out I am Muslim would you connect the name Woodrow with Islam?

Very few American Muslims are Mideastern. Many are Blond hair, blue eyed with European ancestry and very American names.
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Old 09-13-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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it's probably not a good idea for Muslims to be playing the victim card when it comes to 9:11.considering all of what is going on with terrorist attacks, people in western countries have been more than gracious to muslims. There have been very very few repercussions at all. And, when repercussions are reported, they often turn out to be fake.also, rich Muslim countries are turning their backs on the Muslim refugees while the Western countries are welcoming them in with open arms and giving them welfare and health care and food and all the rest of the social programs.
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Old 09-13-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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it's probably not a good idea for Muslims to be playing the victim card when it comes to 9:11.considering all of what is going on with terrorist attacks, people in western countries have been more than gracious to muslims. There have been very very few repercussions at all. And, when repercussions are reported, they often turn out to be fake.also, rich Muslim countries are turning their backs on the Muslim refugees while the Western countries are welcoming them in with open arms and giving them welfare and health care and food and all the rest of the social programs.
Yes we are letting in 10,000 Syrians most of which are probably Christians. Very many of the refugees coming out of Syria are not Muslim although they are Arab.

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Among those Syrian refugees are about 500,000 Christians who felt that they could no longer face the excruciating day-to-day risks of life in Syria for a religious minority with dwindling prospects for a good outcome. Inside Syria, Christians find themselves in a no-manís land Ė torn between supporting President Bashar al-Assad, who has been amenable to their community's concerns during most of his brutal reign, and pushing for democratic elections, which could bring to power a much less friendly Islamist government that might drive them out of the nation en masse.

Syrian Christians Face Difficult Decisions As Refugee Crisis Grows
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Old 09-13-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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I went to many different discussion forums and although I saw many Americans speaking out about 9:11, I did not see any of the Muslims doing the same thing.on forums I did not see them speaking out on non religious forums I did not see them speaking out on religious forums.This was my first hand observation.
I wouldn't believe everything you read on forums
Especially around religious/political topics
A real first hand observation is to speak to people, in real life.

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Old 09-13-2015, 03:23 PM
 
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Yes, but it could be argued that moderate Christians help facilitate the excesses of the extremists - since they give them succor. Respect one variation of superstition, you've got to respect them all.
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Old 09-13-2015, 04:01 PM
 
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it's not a matter of believing what I read on the internet in this case. It's a matter of going to many forums where I know Muslims post and see that no Muslims are posting anything against what happened on 9/11. Either they did post, or they didn't post. That's the issue. And they didn't post. However, everybody else was posting like crazy.
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Old 09-13-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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it's not a matter of believing what I read on the internet in this case. It's a matter of going to many forums where I know Muslims post and see that no Muslims are posting anything against what happened on 9/11. Either they did post, or they didn't post. That's the issue. And they didn't post. However, everybody else was posting like crazy.
And just what could a Muslim say as a Muslim that many Americans would not believe was insincere and an act of hypocrisy.


We can not even mourn or remember the Muslims who died on 9/11 without criticism from non-Muslims accusing us of playing the victim cards.

Yes Muslims did remember 9/11 but many felt it wise to not say things like:

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Today is a sad day in the history of America. Today marks fourteen years since a group of nineteen men affiliated with Al-Qaeda — fifteen from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Lebanon and one from Egypt — hijacked four U.S. airliners and flew two of them into the World Trade Center towers, another into the Pentagon while the fourth crashed in rural Pennsylvania when the passengers attempted to retake the cockpit. Today also invokes and embodies a myriad of emotions — fear, apprehension, frustration and depression — each of which has characterized my experience as a Muslim American today.

I was a five-year-old girl at that time of the 9/11 attacks. I don’t remember much about my experiences as a five-year-old other than perhaps going outside with my bike, reading a lot of children’s books and having a largely stress-free life. Yet, unfortunately, one of the most powerful vignettes in my memories is the anguishing smoke, the ravaging fire and the tragic deaths surrounding the collapse of the twin towers — an emblem of everything America embodied: democracy, freedom and prestige.

I remember my mother’s horrified expression as she watched the television broadcast. I remember my neighbor coming down, rushing to our house, worried about her son who was living in New York City at the time. I remember her shock and her sigh of relief upon hearing that her son was safe. I remember the disbelief in my mother’s eyes as she continued watching the news replaying the 9/11 attack broadcast. I was a five-year-old at the time, but upon realizing that Muslims were responsible for the attacks, I understood that something terribly bad was happening. I wasn’t sure why, I wasn’t sure how, but I knew that something was awfully wrong.
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hirty-two Muslims were killed on 9/11, according to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR): 29 of them at the World Trade Center (WTC) and three in the hijacked planes. (USA Today says that 60 of nearly 3,000 people killed were Muslim.) American Muslims represent at least 1 percent of the total U.S. population, so it is not surprising that more than 1 percent of the people killed on 9/11 were Muslim.

Last year, during the White House's annual Ramadan iftar dinner, President Barack Obama remembered the Muslim Americans who died on 9/11, as well as the Muslim-American servicemen and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan who have been killed since then. "Muslim Americans were first responders…the EMTs…the nurse who tended to so many victims, the naval officer at the Pentagon who rushed into the flames and pulled the injured to safety," the president said. "They were Americans by birth and Americans by choice, immigrants who crossed the oceans to give their children a better life..." Obama called for "an America that doesn't simply tolerate people of different backgrounds and beliefs, but an America where we are enriched by our diversity." He asked people to remember "that here in the United States there is no 'them' or 'us'; it's just us."

One of the 9/11 heroes was former police cadet Salman Hamdani, who volunteered his skills as an EMT at the Trade Center. "People of all faiths died that day," including Muslims, his mother Talat told USA Today last year. "It is not fair to hold us responsible."

Another hero, Abdu Malahi, 37, of Yemeni descent, grew up in Brooklyn and worked at the WTC Marriott. He ran from floor to floor warning guests to evacuate and escorting them to the stairways before he died.

Rahma Salie, 28, of Sri Lankan descent, and her husband, Michael Theodoridis, 32, who converted to Islam to marry her, lived in Boston and were expecting their first baby. The couple were passengers on American Airlines Flight 11 on their way to a wedding in California. After their deaths, several of Rahma's Muslim relatives were barred from international flights and almost missed the memorial service.

Khalid Shahid, 25, of Pakistani heritage and an administrator for the law firm Cantor Fitzgerald, was planning his wedding to his high-school sweetheart.

Waleed Iskandar, 34, a Lebanese of Palestinian Christian origin, was on American Airlines Flight 11, en route from Boston to Los Angeles to tell his parents about his recent engagement.

Mohammad Sallahuddin Chowdhury, 38, who had a master's degree in physics from Bangladesh, was working as a waiter at the WTC's Windows on the World restaurant. His second child was born two days after his death.

This year, when President Obama hosted his fourth White House iftar dinner on Aug. 10, he introduced Muslim chaplains, educators and government employees, including Huma Abedin, whom he praised for her tireless work in the White House, the U.S. Senate and, most exhaustingly, the State Department. Pointing to the Qur'an that belonged to his predecessor Thomas Jefferson, the president said, "And that's a reminder, along with the generations of patriotic Muslims in America, that Islam—like so many faiths—is part of our national story."

Reading the names of 9/11 victims, one can see that they came from India, Greece, the Middle East, Iran, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany, Poland—just about everywhere. Visitors to the memorial can read those names and know that in America people of every race, religion and ethnicity are valued as they live, love, work and die. That is the most important lesson of the 9/11 Memorial.

WRMEA ? Muslim-American Activism: Lessons From the National Sept. 11 Memorial ? 2012 October
Many people really do not want to remember or even know there were acts of heroism by American Muslim at the WTC. Many do not even want to know innocent Muslims died also. Many people will even be offended if Muslims remember the Muslims who died in the Twin towers.

Far better we keep quiet and not get accused of playing the victim card. Which is what probably will happen anyhow.
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