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Old 09-15-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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"90% of Middle Eastern immigrants to America are on FOOD STAMPS, 68% on CASH WELFARE"
Source: Office of Refugee Resettlement 2013 Report to Congress

Further, a UN study that said the vast majority of these refugees were men, with very few children and very few women.

Is this considered 'booty'?

 
Old 09-15-2015, 07:33 PM
 
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In the words of Anjem Choudary, it is jizya
Choudary, who is married and has four children, enjoys a comfortable lifestyle that is being paid for, year after year, by British taxpayers. In 2010, the newspaper The Sun reported that he takes home more than £25,000 ($40,000) a year in welfare benefits.

In February 2013, Choudary urged his followers to quit their jobs and claim unemployment benefits so that they could have more time to plot holy war against non-Muslims.

He said Muslims are entitled to welfare payments because they are a form of jizya, a tax imposed on non-Muslims in countries run by Muslims, and a reminder that non-Muslims are permanently inferior and subservient to Muslims.
Anjem Choudary, in His Own Words
 
Old 09-16-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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"90% of Middle Eastern immigrants to America are on FOOD STAMPS, 68% on CASH WELFARE"
Source: Office of Refugee Resettlement 2013 Report to Congress

Further, a UN study that said the vast majority of these refugees were men, with very few children and very few women.

Is this considered 'booty'?
Are you aware that a very large number of Mideastern Immigrants to the US are Christians?

Quote:
Christian emigration from the Middle East
Main articles: Religion in the Middle East, Christianity in the Middle East, Arab Christians and Arab diaspora

The majority of Arabs living outside the Arab World are Arab Christians. Christians have emigrated from the Middle East, a phenomenon that has been attributed to various causes included economic factors, political and military conflict, and feelings of insecurity or isolation among minority Christian populations. The higher rate of emigration among Christians, compared to other religious groups, has also been attributed to their having stronger support networks available abroad, in the form of existing emigrant communities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_emigration

Quote:
While Christians continue to make up a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S., the estimated share of new legal permanent residents who are Christian declined from 68% in 1992 to 61% in 2012. Over the same period, the estimated share of green card recipients who belong to religious minorities rose from approximately one-in-five (19%) to one-in-four (25%). This includes growing shares of Muslims (5% in 1992, 10% in 2012) and Hindus (3% in 1992, 7% in 2012). The share of Buddhists, however, is slightly smaller (7% in 1992, 6% in 2012), while the portion of legal immigrants who are religiously unaffiliated (atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular) has remained relatively stable, at about 14% per year.1
The Religious Affiliation of U.S. Immigrants: Majority Christian, Rising Share of Other Faiths | Pew Research Center
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Old 09-16-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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At the time of Korah's engulfment, the earth became like a funnel, and everything that belonged to him, even linen that was at the launderer's and needles that had been borrowed by persons living at a distance from Korah, rolled till it fell into the chasm (Yer. Sanh. x. 1; Num. R. l.c.). According to the Rabbis, Korah himself underwent the double punishment of being burned and buried alive (Num. R. l.c. 14; Tan., Ḳoraḥ, 23). He and his followers continued to sink till Hannah prayed for them (Gen. R. xcviii. 3); and through her prayer, the Rabbis declare, Korah will ascend to paradise (Ab. R. N. xxxvi.; Num. R. xviii. 11; comp. Sanh. 109b). Rabbah bar bar Ḥana narrates that while he was traveling in the desert, an Arab showed him the place of Korah's engulfment. There was at the spot a slit in the ground into which he introduced some wool soaked in water. The wool became parched. On placing his ear to the slit, he heard voices cry: "Moses and his Torah are true; and we are liars" (B. B. 74a; comp. Tan., ed. Buber, Ḳoraḥ, Supplement).S. S. M. Sel.

In rabbinical literature the epithet rasha, translating as the wicked one, is often attached to the name of Balaam (Talmud Berachot l.c.; Taanit 20a; Midrash Numbers Rabbah 20:14). Balaam is pictured as blind in one eye and lame in one foot (Talmud Sanhedrin 105a); and his disciples (followers) are distinguished by three morally corrupt qualities:










Balaam in the Quran

  • Musa
  • Mūsa ٰمُوسَى
  • Moses



Regarding the Islamic view of Balaam, there is no clear reference to Balaam in the Qur'an. However, the commentators argue that he is the one that the following text is referring to:
Relate to them the story of the man to whom We sent Our signs, but he passed them by: so Satan followed him up, and he went astray.
If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect.
— Qur'an, sura 7 (Al-A'raf), ayat 175–176[17]
The Muslim commentators explain that Balaam was a Canaanite who had been given knowledge of some of the books of God. His people asked him to curse Moses (Musa) and those who were with him, but he said, "How can I curse one who has angels with him?" They continued to press him, however, until he cursed the Israelites, and, as a consequence, they remained forty years in the Wilderness of the Wanderings. Then, when he had cursed Moses, his tongue came out and fell upon his breast, and he began to pant like a dog.
The story as told by Tabari[18] is somewhat more Biblical. Balaam had the knowledge of the Most Sacred Name of God, and whatever he asked of God was granted to him. The story of Balaam and the ass, then follows at length. When it came to the actual cursing, God "turned his tongue" so that the cursing fell upon his own people and the blessing upon Israel. Then his tongue came out and hung down on his breast. Finally, he advised his people to adorn and beautify their women and to send them out to ensnare the Israelites. The story of the plague at Baal-peor and of Cozbi and Zimri[19] follows.
According to another story which al-Tabari gives, Balaam was a renegade Israelite who knew the Most Sacred Name and, to gain the things of this world, went over to the Canaanites. Al-Tha'labi[20] adds that Balaam was descended from Lot. He gives, too, the story of Balaam's dream, his being forbidden by God to curse Israel. Another version is that Balak, the king of Bal'a, compelled Balaam to use the Most Sacred Name against Israel. The curse fell automatically, and Moses, having learned whence it came, entreated God to take from Balaam his knowledge of the Name and his faith. This being done, they went out from him in the form of a white dove.
Etymology

The etymology of the name Balaam is uncertain, and several Jewish, and Christian, sources translate it either glutton, or foreigner. The rabbis, playing on the name, call him Belo 'Am, meaning without people, more explicitly meaning that he is without a share with the people in the world to come, or call him Billa' 'Am, meaning one that ruined a people. This deconstruction of his name into B—l Am is supported by many modern biblical critics, which considers his name to simply be derived from Baal Am, a reference to Am, a Baal of Moab.
It is often supposed that the name given for a king of Edom, Bela, son of Beor, is a corruption of Balaam, and that, therefore, this reference actually points to Balaam as having once been an Edomite king.
 
Old 09-16-2015, 07:06 PM
 
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"Are you aware that a very large number of Mideastern Immigrants to the US are Christians?"

Are YOU aware that the wiki page you used as your source says this:

"This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
The neutrality of this article is disputed. (October 2014)
This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Long list with major blunders, actually China has the largest growing christian population world wide. The claims about Lebanon would apply as well to Ireland, which has no Muslims .. (October 2014)
This article or section may fail to make a clear distinction between fact and fiction. (October 2014)
This article may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies. (October 2014)
This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. (February 2011)"

The ORR figures defined refugees from the “Middle East” as being from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, and Yemen.

Afghanistan - 99.8% of the Afghan population is Muslim

Iran - 99.5% are Muslims

Iraq - The major religion in Iraq is Islam, followed by about 97% of Iraqis

Jordan - Jordan is a majority Muslim country with 94% of the population following Sunni Islam while a small minority follow Shia Islam

Kuwait - 60-70% are Sunni and 30-40% are Shias.

Lebanon - Muslim 54% (27% Shia, 27% Sunni), Christian 40.5% (includes 21% Maronite Catholic, 8% Greek Orthodox, 5% Melkite Catholic, 1% Protestantism in Lebanon, 5.5% other Christian), Druze 5.6%, very small numbers of Jews, Baha'is, Buddhists

Saudi Arabia - Virtually all Saudi citizens are Muslim[280] (officially – all), and almost all Saudi residents are Muslim

Syria - Islam is 90-95% of the country's population

Turkey - 99.8% of the population in Turkey is Muslim

Yemen - 99% of Yemenis are Muslims

So you might want to check your premise.

Let's look further:

80% of the 50 million Muslims in Europe are living off welfare
80% of the 50million Muslims in Europe are living off welfare | National News | British National Party

"Sweden’s welfare disaster: A 15.1% immigrant population burden 60.5% of the entire nations welfare costs"
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...fare-handouts/

In 2008, the Toronto Sun reported that "hundreds of [Greater Toronto Area] Muslim men in polygamous marriages — some with a harem of wives — are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.".....According to one 2007 source, immigration, of which Muslims comprise a significant part, "costs Sweden at least 40 to 50 billion Swedish kroner [approximately $7 billion] every year … and has greatly contributed to bringing the Swedish welfare state to the brink of bankruptcy." .....The statistics from Norway are even more shocking. According to a University of Oslo study, "non-Western immigrants" are ten times as likely to be on social assistance as native Norwegians...... In Germany, Muslims are four times as likely to be receiving welfare as non-Muslims. ..... Research by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard from 2002 reveals that mostly Muslim immigrants in Denmark "constitute five percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending."
Islamists on Welfare: Paid to Plot the West's Demise :: Middle East Forum

Let me rewoord my question:

Why are so many Muslim immigrants taking welfare from Western countries? Is it 'booty' or jizya, either which would be an act of war according to what I read in the Quran.
 
Old 09-16-2015, 09:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by juju33312 View Post
"90% of Middle Eastern immigrants to America are on FOOD STAMPS, 68% on CASH WELFARE"
Source: Office of Refugee Resettlement 2013 Report to Congress

Further, a UN study that said the vast majority of these refugees were men, with very few children and very few women.

Is this considered 'booty'?
Here's the source that you decided not to link to, now show us your documentation from it that supports this hate thread.

Office of Refugee Resettlement Year in Review - FY2013 | Office of Refugee Resettlement | Administration for Children and Families
 
Old 09-16-2015, 09:28 PM
 
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"Here's the source that you decided not to link to, "

I told you where you could find it.

"now show us your documentation from it that supports this hate thread."

Hate thread? I'm asking a reasonable question. Why are so many Muslim immigrants taking welfare from Western countries? Is it 'booty' or jizya, either which would be an act of war according to what I read in the Quran.

The hate is here:

"Abu Qatada demands to be relocated after a year in £400,000 home
Lawyers for the extremist cleric revealed he and his family, who live on state handouts, have asked to be relocated.

It is not known what reasons he has given but is likely to have demanded more space or complained about the constant media presence outside.

It can also be disclosed that his every movement will be watched from space as part of the massive surveillance operation that is costing the public £5 million a year.

The hate preacher has been fitted with a GPS satellite tag which means the police and security services will know where he is to within a few feet at any given time.

Qatada and his family were moved to a £400,000 house in Wembley, north London, in February this year after his initial release from prison as part of his ongoing fight against deportation.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...n-400000-home/


MUSLIMS CAUGHT IN MASSIVE WELFARE FRAUD SCAM
Now comes word that a Muslim-run food stamp ring has been broken up in the state with the largest Muslim population.That state is Michigan, which has seen plenty of press for issues involving Muslims of late. Three brothers who ran the Middle Eastern Market in Grand Rapids plead guilty to a food stamp scam in exchange for prosecutors not seeking charges against two more brothers. The scam netted $736,000 from EBT and $544,000 in WIC. That puts the amount stolen from taxpayers by the three brothers – Emad Khalil Karaein, Jawad Khalil-Ahmad Karaein, and Khader Khalil Karaein – at over $1,200,000.
Muslims Caught in Massive Welfare Fraud Scam | Washington Weekly News

On November 4, 2013, Dalalli and his wife were charged with defrauding the federal government of numerous subsistence benefits after arriving in the United States from Iraq. The programs defrauded included the Women, Infants and Children (“WIC”) program, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (“TANF”), HUD, and Medicaid benefits. Dalalli and his wife defrauded these programs by failing to reveal their ownership of Lebanese bank accounts and other assets, and by concealing their living arrangements in connection with their receipt of HUD-subsidized housing. The fraud scheme resulted in losses totaling $126,739. Dalalli, a naturalized U.S. citizen, was additionally charged with making false statements in connection with his citizenship application.

Dalalli’s trial commenced on January 13, 2015. After the first day of trial he entered a guilty plea to all counts. Shortly thereafter, he requested that his guilty pleas be set aside, claiming that he had been coerced into pleading guilty by his defense attorney. This request was denied by Judge Jonker, who noted that the court had inquired at length with Dalalli concerning his decision to plead guilty, and Dalalli had assured the court that his decision to plead guilty was voluntary.

On July 14, 2015, Judge Jonker sentenced Dalalli to serve a prison term of 27 months, followed by supervised release of 36 months. The sentence included restitution of $126,739. Dalalli was also stripped of his U.S. citizenship and ordered deported following the completion of his sentence. Dalalli’s wife, Rima Alame, will be sentenced on August 31, 2015.
https://www.fbi.gov/detroit/press-re...hammad-dalalli

More than 30 Danish jihadists have collected unemployment benefits totaling 379,000 Danish krone (€51,000; $55,000) while fighting with the Islamic State in Syria, according to leaked intelligence documents.

The fraud, which was reported by Television 2 Danmark on May 18, comes less than six months after the Danish newspaper BT revealed that Denmark had paid unemployment benefits to 28 other jihadists while they were waging war in Syria.
Welfare Jihad in Europe

Group of Muslims indicted for looting churches and schools. Group accused of holding ties to Muslim terrorist network, connections to Syria discovered as well.

Priest Friedhelm Rüsche still has difficulties grasping what happened, despite that the incident - when his congregation discovered the invasion of the Church of Saint Augustine Keppel - already dates back more than one and a half year. The church is situated in the near of Bonn, which was the German capital until the reunification in 1990.

The incident Friedhelm Rüsche talked about, was a looting at the end of 2013, when the church's offering box with an estimated 100 euros, was stolen. The now indicted gang also stole the vault with sacred objects. But the thieves were not successful in opening it.

The priest states:

"Such a thing leaves its mark."

It was the first criminal appearance of the now accused gang. And many more should follow. Not only churches, but also schools were targeted by the now known Muslim gang.

Group caught at the end of 2014, long list of accusations and crimes. All justified by Quran.....The list of accusations is long: social welfare fraud, robbery, extortion, trade in counterfeit Bulgarian passports, and preparation of serious subversive crime.

One has to recall that all these deeds and crimes are explicitly permitted and even encouraged by Quran, as only 'infidels' were targeted.
Plundering German churches and schools with looting for Islamic State

UK EASY STREET: If you're a typical MUSLIM, you can milk the taxpayers for $400,000 in benefits
A Somali MUSLIM woman who lied about being gang raped in Somalia in order to claim more than $400,000 in benefits had moved to Britain from Sweden after boasting it was the ‘land of easy money.’
UK DAILY MAIL –Ayan Abdulle was jailed this week after investigators discovered that the story she used to win asylum – and later UK citizenship – was a pack of lies.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/0...0-in-benefits/

and on and on and on........
 
Old 09-16-2015, 09:50 PM
 
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The OP was very specific about America

Quote:
"90% of Middle Eastern immigrants to America are on FOOD STAMPS, 68% on CASH WELFARE"
Source: Office of Refugee Resettlement 2013 Report to Congress

Further, a UN study that said the vast majority of these refugees were men, with very few children and very few women.
What does the happenings in Europe and the UK have to do with America?

The fact is the Majority of Mideasterners in the USA are not Musli,

While you disagree with the wiki link, I also posted the Pew Report Link which also states most Mideastern immigrants in the USA are not Muslim
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:13 PM
 
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Quote:
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"Are you aware that a very large number of Mideastern Immigrants to the US are Christians?"

Are YOU aware that the wiki page you used as your source says this:

"This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
The neutrality of this article is disputed. (October 2014)
This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Long list with major blunders, actually China has the largest growing christian population world wide. The claims about Lebanon would apply as well to Ireland, which has no Muslims .. (October 2014)
This article or section may fail to make a clear distinction between fact and fiction. (October 2014)
This article may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies. (October 2014)
This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. (February 2011)"

The ORR figures defined refugees from the “Middle East” as being from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, and Yemen.

Afghanistan - 99.8% of the Afghan population is Muslim

Iran - 99.5% are Muslims

Iraq - The major religion in Iraq is Islam, followed by about 97% of Iraqis

Jordan - Jordan is a majority Muslim country with 94% of the population following Sunni Islam while a small minority follow Shia Islam

Kuwait - 60-70% are Sunni and 30-40% are Shias.

Lebanon - Muslim 54% (27% Shia, 27% Sunni), Christian 40.5% (includes 21% Maronite Catholic, 8% Greek Orthodox, 5% Melkite Catholic, 1% Protestantism in Lebanon, 5.5% other Christian), Druze 5.6%, very small numbers of Jews, Baha'is, Buddhists

Saudi Arabia - Virtually all Saudi citizens are Muslim[280] (officially – all), and almost all Saudi residents are Muslim

Syria - Islam is 90-95% of the country's population

Turkey - 99.8% of the population in Turkey is Muslim

Yemen - 99% of Yemenis are Muslims

So you might want to check your premise.

Let's look further:

80% of the 50 million Muslims in Europe are living off welfare
80% of the 50million Muslims in Europe are living off welfare | National News | British National Party

"Sweden’s welfare disaster: A 15.1% immigrant population burden 60.5% of the entire nations welfare costs"
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...fare-handouts/

In 2008, the Toronto Sun reported that "hundreds of [Greater Toronto Area] Muslim men in polygamous marriages — some with a harem of wives — are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.".....According to one 2007 source, immigration, of which Muslims comprise a significant part, "costs Sweden at least 40 to 50 billion Swedish kroner [approximately $7 billion] every year … and has greatly contributed to bringing the Swedish welfare state to the brink of bankruptcy." .....The statistics from Norway are even more shocking. According to a University of Oslo study, "non-Western immigrants" are ten times as likely to be on social assistance as native Norwegians...... In Germany, Muslims are four times as likely to be receiving welfare as non-Muslims. ..... Research by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard from 2002 reveals that mostly Muslim immigrants in Denmark "constitute five percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending."
Islamists on Welfare: Paid to Plot the West's Demise :: Middle East Forum

Let me rewoord my question:

Why are so many Muslim immigrants taking welfare from Western countries? Is it 'booty' or jizya, either which would be an act of war according to what I read in the Quran.
All this is Stormfront garbage. If we just look up one of your links which is the British National Party. They have been brought up on numerous charges through the years for inciting hatred which is a criminal act in the UK.
 
Old 09-16-2015, 10:37 PM
 
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"The OP was very specific about America"

My mistake. This is a far wider problem.

"What does the happenings in Europe and the UK have to do with America?"

Principle: Muslims talking unearned money from western countries after they immigrate.

"While you disagree with the wiki link,"

Hey, I didn't make those comments. Why did YOU ignore them?

"I also posted the Pew Report Link which also states most Mideastern immigrants in the USA are not Muslim"

Really? I did not see that in the quote you posted. Please post where it says that "most Mideastern immigrants in the USA are not Muslim"

I'm going to estimate that 80 - 90% of all Middle Eastern immigrants are Muslim. I base that on several resources.

And that is not the point anyway. The question I am asking is: Why are so many Muslim immigrants taking welfare from Western countries? Is it 'booty' or jizya, either which would be an act of war according to what I read in the Quran.
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