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Old 10-09-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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"I do not equate that to competition. I am very pleased to see a person receive all the rewards and pleasures they receive. a Muslim is to be happy to see another person receive more than what they have."

Where do all the young virgins and young slave boys like scattered pearls come from? Does allah materialize them, or are they the souls of infidels that are being punished?

"And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls."
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:06 AM
 
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"I do not equate that to competition. I am very pleased to see a person receive all the rewards and pleasures they receive. a Muslim is to be happy to see another person receive more than what they have."

Where do all the young virgins and young slave boys like scattered pearls come from? Does allah materialize them, or are they the souls of infidels that are being punished?

"And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls."


the concept of God(swt0 creating companions and helpers for humans is not new. It was also expressed in Jewish and Christian Scripture

Hebrews 1:14
New International Version
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

New Living Translation
Therefore, angels are only servants--spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.

English Standard Version
Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

Berean Study Bible
Are not the angels ministering spirits, sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Berean Literal Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, being sent forth for service for the sake of those being about to inherit salvation?

New American Standard Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

King James Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve those who are going to inherit salvation?

International Standard Version
All of them are spirits on a divine mission, sent to serve those who are about to inherit salvation, aren't they?

NET Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Behold, are they not all spirits of service, who are sent into service for the sake of those who are going to inherit life?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
What are all the angels? They are spirits sent to serve those who are going to receive salvation.

New American Standard 1977
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

Jubilee Bible 2000
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth in service for the love of those who are the heirs of saving health?

King James 2000 Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister to them who shall be heirs of salvation?

American King James Version
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

American Standard Version
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to do service for the sake of them that shall inherit salvation?

Douay-Rheims Bible
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent to minister for them, who shall receive the inheritance of salvation?

Darby Bible Translation
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out for service on account of those who shall inherit salvation?

English Revised Version
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to do service for the sake of them that shall inherit salvation?

Webster's Bible Translation
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall inherit salvation?

Weymouth New Testament
Are not all angels spirits that serve Him--whom He sends out to render service for the benefit of those who, before long, will inherit salvation?

World English Bible
Aren't they all serving spirits, sent out to do service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

When one reads Christian scripture, it seems that often the descriptions of some angels is more in line with the Hur al-ayn (Houri) that are created to serve Humans in heaven.

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ANGELS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT

Hebrews 8:6 says that we have a better covenant based on better promises than people had under the Old Covenant. This is true concerning the ministry of angels.

Under the Old Covenant, the saints did not have authority over the angels, therefore they had to wait on them for help. Today, angels wait on us because now we can use the name of Jesus, which is a greater name than angels, to dispatch angels to do their work. Prior to the cross, the scriptures taught that Jesus was "made a little lower than the angels." But the scriptures teach that now he is "crowned with glory and honor" so that angels submit to Him and His name (see Hebrews 2:9, 1 Peter 3:22 and Philippians 2:10).

1 Corinthians 6:3 says that we will judge angels. The judge is always greater than those who are judged. The scriptures inform us that believers have authority to dispatch angels to minister on their behalf.

Have you been dispatching your angels? Or have they been sitting idle waiting for you to put them to work?

LOOSING YOUR ANGELS

In Matthew 18:18, Jesus gave the Church the keys of the kingdom of heaven. He said, "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Most of us have heard this scripture used to "bind" the devil and demons. And the Bible does tell us that we can "bind the strong man", and that a mighty angel will "bind the devil for a thousand years". The word "bind" is a term to describe our power to "tie up" Satan.

However, Jesus also said that we have the power to "loose". And what do we loose? Certainly, not Satan. Then who? Angels of course. A voice said, "Loose the four angels which are bound...And the four angels were loosed" (Revelation 9:14-15 KJV). You can readily see that angels are meant to be loosed. And who has the power to loose angels? Jesus said that we do. We have the keys of the kingdom!

You might ask the question, "How do we loose angels?"

I think it would help us to answer this question by going to Psalm 103 and reading verse 20. It says, "Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the VOICE of his word." (KJV)

Notice that angels hearken--listen and act upon--the VOICE of God's Word. We know that the Bible is God's Word. But angels don't hearken just to God's Word, but they hearken to the voice of His Word. Try this profound experiment: Take your Bible and place it next to your ear. Stop! Listen! What do you hear? NOTHING! Why? Because the Bible does not have a voice unless we give it a voice.

In other words, angels act on God's Word that we speak out of our mouths. They listen to us speaking God's Word. And when we speak God's Word, angels rush to perform it in our lives.

Can you see how we have hindered angels in performing their duties for us? We bind angels when we speak contrary to God's Word, and say things such as "Nothing ever works out for me." "If I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all." "I'm so clumsy." "I live by Murphy's Law." "I can't seem to get out of debt."

ANGELS LISTEN TO OUR WORDS

Jesus said, "Whoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God" (Luke 12:8, KJV). Jesus declares to the angels what we declare. When we confessed that Jesus was our Lord, Jesus confessed to the angels that He was our Lord. Angels are aware of what we confess here on earth. Jesus echo's our words to the angels, and depending on what we say, they bring to pass our words.

There's an interesting story in the Bible which illustrates this truth. You know the story. Jesus was tempted by the devil for forty days, and while being tempted Jesus did only one thing: He spoke the Word of God. He kept saying, "It is written...It is written...It is written." After Jesus kept quoting God's Word, the Bible says, "Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him" (Matthew 4:11). Do you suppose the reason why the angels came to Jesus was because He kept speaking God's Word? I think so! Angels hearken unto the voice of God's Word. Jesus gave voice to the Word, and angels came to minister to Him. Angels will do the same for you if you will do what Jesus did--and that is speak God's Word!

MAKE GOD YOUR DWELLING

One of the believers favorite Psalm says, "If you make the Most High your dwelling--even the Lord, who is my refuge--then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone" (91:9-12).

God promises complete protection for the person who makes the Most High his dwelling. The secret to tapping into the power of this Psalm is to make the Most High your dwelling. That is the key. God promises protection, so long as you make the Most High your dwelling.

So how do you make God your dwelling? The answer is at the beginning of this Psalm. It says, "He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I WILL SAY OF THE LORD, `He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.'" You make the Most High your dwelling the same way that David did--by SAYING OF THE LORD that He is your dwelling! Your confession that He is your refuge and fortress is what makes God become your refuge and fortress.

And what does God do when you confess that He is your refuge and fortress? He commands His angels to guard you in all your ways so that no harm befalls you nor any disaster overtake you. Angels work for you because you confess who God is to you and what He will do for you.

This is what Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did before they were thrown into the fiery furnace. They boldly declared, "The God we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O King!" They stood their ground in faith. And what was the outcome? God sent an angel to keep them from burning. The angel heard God's Word coming from the lips of these courageous saints--and he harkened unto their words.

FEAR GOD

There is one final scripture that I want to show you that will prove that angels are greatly affected by our words. It is Psalm 34:7: "The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them." The angel of the Lord delivers those who fear God, not who fear tragedy.

And what does it mean to fear God? Verse 11 and 12 begins by telling us, "Come, my children, listen to me; I will teach you the fear of the Lord. Whoever of you loves life and desires to see many good days." Angels definitely are involved in prolonging our lives and making our days good. But what is the fear of the Lord? The next verse says that if you want many good days, then "keep your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking lies."

The fear of the Lord is manifested in restraining the tongue. If you fear God, then you will speak the truth. And what is truth? Jesus said, "Thy word is truth!" God's Word is the highest form of truth in the universe.

By speaking God's Word, you are keeping your tongue from evil and from speaking lies. And when you do, the angel of the Lord will encamp around you to deliver you in times of trouble. This angel will do this because you show the fear of the Lord by speaking His Word!
RELEASING YOUR ANGELS TO WORK FOR YOU





The Qur'an is not a new revelation. every message in the Qur'an was revealed in earlier revelations.
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Old 10-09-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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"the concept of God(swt0 creating companions and helpers for humans is not new."

So these are not real people that existed, but allah-animated things that men can order around and have sex with. So maybe that's not so horrible....more like having sex with a blow up doll and the doll doesn't care.

To me, this is a sad view of sex. I associate sex with love and shared values. Sex with blow up dolls, even ones made to feel like virgins, would be very empty.
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Old 10-09-2015, 08:31 PM
 
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It is true there are different levels of heaven and each person will be rewarded for the good the do.

I do not equate that to competition. I am very pleased to see a person receive all the rewards and pleasures they receive. a Muslim is to be happy to see another person receive more than what they have.
It is not 'competition' as in sports.
However in the context of the whole of the Quran, Muslims are exhorted to vie, and do better than other Muslims in many aspects of the 'deen'. Here is one example;
56:10. And the foremost in the race, the foremost in the race:

It is not that a Muslim is happy to see another person receive more, rather Muslims are put in a state [as exhorted by Allah], it is better run faster than the next man when a hungry tiger is chasing from behind. In this case the tiger is the 'threat of Hell'.

Such 'competing' verses may not influence all Muslims but SOME [20%] meant a very significant quantum of 300 millions wanting to please God in doing better than others. The frightening thing is this 'SOME' compete to kill, commit evils and cast terror on more infidels than others.

NOTE: There are many verses which support the above concept of 'be better than the others.' It is just that I have not compiled them for ready presentations.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:15 AM
 
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It is not 'competition' as in sports.
However in the context of the whole of the Quran, Muslims are exhorted to vie, and do better than other Muslims in many aspects of the 'deen'. Here is one example;
56:10. And the foremost in the race, the foremost in the race:

It is not that a Muslim is happy to see another person receive more, rather Muslims are put in a state [as exhorted by Allah], it is better run faster than the next man when a hungry tiger is chasing from behind. In this case the tiger is the 'threat of Hell'.

Such 'competing' verses may not influence all Muslims but SOME [20%] meant a very significant quantum of 300 millions wanting to please God in doing better than others. The frightening thing is this 'SOME' compete to kill, commit evils and cast terror on more infidels than others.

NOTE: There are many verses which support the above concept of 'be better than the others.' It is just that I have not compiled them for ready presentations.
You will also find verses that tell us to view all Muslims equally, none being better than another
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Old 10-10-2015, 09:42 AM
 
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Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

This must be why we see Muslims secretly supporting the terrorists financially (like CAIR), and also see Muslims trying to undermine Western countries via lawsuits and education, etc.
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Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

This must be why we see Muslims secretly supporting the terrorists financially (like CAIR), and also see Muslims trying to undermine Western countries via lawsuits and education, etc.
Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

there is no preference there. We all have our individual strengths by which we can earn rewards, also perfection is not required, just to the best of our abilities.

All who die as a Muslim will reach Heaven. Some will also be rewarded for their deeds in this life, in the Grave and by spending less time in Hell.
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"there is no preference there"

Really? It clearly says:

" Allah has preferred "

So 'preferred' means 'not preferred'?

I am now seeing the problem. You are a complete subjectivist and everything means nothing and love means hate and non-Muslim means Muslim and stop means go. An elephant might be a cow, a stone might be a boat. There are no valid concepts. Yes is no, up is down, to prefer is to not prefer.
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"there is no preference there"

Really? It clearly says:

" Allah has preferred "

So 'preferred' means 'not preferred'?

I am now seeing the problem. You are a complete subjectivist and everything means nothing and love means hate and non-Muslim means Muslim and stop means go. An elephant might be a cow, a stone might be a boat. There are no valid concepts. Yes is no, up is down, to prefer is to not prefer.


لاَّ يَسْتَوِي الْقَاعِدُونَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ غَيْرُ أُوْلِي الضَّرَرِ وَالْمُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فَضَّلَ اللّهُ الْمُجَاهِدِينَ بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ دَرَجَةً وَكُـلاًّ وَعَدَ اللّهُ الْحُسْنَى وَفَضَّلَ اللّهُ الْمُجَاهِدِينَ عَلَى الْقَاعِدِينَ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا (4:95)



La yastawee alqaAAidoona mina almumineena ghayru olee alddarari waalmujahidoona fee sabeeli Allahi biamwalihim waanfusihim faddala Allahu almujahideena biamwalihim waanfusihim AAala alqaAAideena darajatan wakullan waAAada Allahu alhusna wafaddala Allahu almujahideena AAala alqaAAideena ajran AAatheeman

wafaddala Allahu does not mean" but has Allah preferred". Here are 3 other translations that come closer to the actual meaning.



SUCH of the believers as remain passive [121] - other than the disabled - cannot be deemed equal to those who strive hard in God's cause with their possessions and their lives: [122] God has exalted those who strive hard with their possessions and their lives far above those who remain passive. Although God has promised the ultimate good unto all [believers], yet has God exalted those who strive hard above those who remain passive by [promising them] a mighty reward - - 4:95 (Asad)

Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- - 4:95 (Y. Ali)

Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who have a (disabling) hurt, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives. Allah hath conferred on those who strive with their wealth and lives a rank above the sedentary. Unto each Allah hath promised good, but He hath bestowed on those who strive a great reward above the sedentary; - 4:95 (Picktall)

While it is clear that those who strive will receive a special reward, that does not mean they will receive special preference. We all will receive what we earn and deserve.

Suppose you have 3 children and you say you will give a dollar to those who help mow the lawn.Only one does so. Just because only one earns the dollar does not mean you prefer that one over the other 2.

We all are treated equally with no preference all of us will get what we earn.
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