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Old 10-21-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.

In The Qur'an translation by Mohammad Habib Shakir, the soul (The Light Of Reason), is mentioned more than one hundred fifty times. I have commented and taken of some of these verses mentioning soul, from SURA 2. AL-BAQARA (THE COW) as follows:



Neglect can cast the soul away (waywardly):

2:44. What! do you enjoin men to be good and neglect your own souls while you read the Book; have you then no sense?

The soul can suffer condemnation:

2:48. And be on your guard against a day when one soul shall not avail another in the least, neither shall intercession on its behalf be accepted, nor shall any compensation be taken from it, nor shall they be helped.

The soul can suffer loss:

2:57. And We made the clouds to give shade over you and We sent to you manna and quails: Eat of the good things that We have given you; and they did not do Us any harm, but they made their own souls suffer the loss.

An insolent soul is one that is misguided:

2:87. And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.

The soul can be burdened with evil:

2:90. Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers.

Corruptible men want the soul to learn evil:

2:102. And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.
2:103. And if they had believed and guarded themselves [against evil], reward from Allah would certainly have been better; had they but known [this].


Some souls in that day will be weighted with evil and will find no help. Guard against such a day!:

2:123. And be on your guard against a day when no soul shall avail another in the least neither shall any compensation be accepted from it, nor shall intercession profit it, nor shall they be helped.

Do not exceed the limits placed upon you being unjust to your soul:

2:231. And when you divorce women and they reach their prescribed time, then either retain them in good fellowship or set them free with liberality, and do not retain them for injury, so that you exceed the limits, and whoever does this, he indeed is unjust to his own soul; and do not take Allah's
communications for a mockery, and remember the favor of Allah upon you, and that which He has revealed to you of the Book and the Wisdom, admonishing you thereby; and be careful [of your duty to] Allah, and know that Allah is the Knower of all things.

Allaah, Most Exalted, desires that you be cautious regarding retribution due you:

2:265. And the parable of those who spend their property to seek the pleasure of Allah and for the certainty of their souls is as the parable of a garden on an elevated ground, upon which heavy rain falls so it brings forth its fruit twofold but if heavy rain does not fall upon it, then light rain [is sufficient]; and Allah sees what you do.

The day for which each soul shall be paid back that which it has earned should be guarded against:

2:281. And guard yourselves against a day in which you shall be returned to Allah; then every soul shall be paid back in full what it has earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.

Allaah, All Praise Be For Him, does not overburden any soul with its duty:

2:286. Allah does not impose upon any soul a duty but to the extent of its ability; for it is [the benefit of] what it has earned and upon it [the evil of] what it has wrought: Our Lord! do not punish us if we forget or make a mistake; Our Lord! do not lay on us a burden as Thou didst lay on those before us, Our Lord do not impose upon us that which we have not the strength to bear; and pardon us and grant us protection and have mercy on us, Thou art our Patron, so help us against the unbelieving people.



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Old 10-21-2015, 11:49 PM
 
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The above argument of the existence of a soul is based on the Quran.
It just presumed the soul exists without showing any proof.

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It is impossible for God to exist.
Thus a Quran authored by an impossible god is impossible to be divine.
Thus the Quran was authored by human[s].
Thus whatever is asserted of the soul in the Quran is by humans.
Worst there is no proof to show there is a soul that survive after physical death.

Since the question of soul is ultimately from man, it has to be argued philosophically.
Philosophically it has been demonstrated a soul that survive physical death is an illusion.
Hume demonstrate the self [soul] is nothing than 'a bundle of perceptions' without unity or cohesive quality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume#The_self
Note there are many philosophy argument to prove a soul that survives physical death is merely an illusion.

What humans insist on a real soul that survives physical death is due to existential psychological desperations. In such desperations, they will insist God and soul are real when both are merely illusions.

Despite recognizing soul and god as illusions, humans would nevertheless live to the best of their effort to optimize one's life and contribute to the progress of humanity.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:07 AM
 
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A concept of a soul that exists after physical death whilst is psychological comforting to the individual to deal with an existential dilemma can also be very negative to humanity's progress.
1. When the soul is conceived as a thing [abstract not concrete] that survived after physical death, the soul is conceived as a thing that is owned by the individual.

2. As a thing that is owned by the individual, it invoke a sense of possessiveness, clingingness, the desire to protect it, selfishness, etc.

3. As a result of possessiveness and selfishness there arise of sense of fear, anxieties, torture and sufferings if that thing is lost, thus it need protection.

4. To ensure protection, humans will do whatever it takes to protect it, i.e. even to the extent of murder if necessary and other acts of protection and prevention of loss.

5. As individual efforts are not strong enough, humans collectively organized into religions to protect the existence of their souls.

6. Some religions advocated evils and violent methods [as sanctioned by a God] to protect the soul or if there are threats.

7. Some believers interpret the evil laden verses loosely and unleash terrible evils and violence unto non-believers whom they are told are a threat to the existence of their souls.

The above demonstrate how a belief of a soul that exists after physical death can lead to terrible violence and evils are unleashed upon humanity. That it is happening now, in the past and will be in the future is glaringly evident.

What is worst when that belief is based merely on an illusion.

In contrast note religions that do not belief in a soul that survives after physical death.
Because there is no soul, there is no thing to be owned, cling to and need to be protected.
Thus there is no room for evils and violence at all to be advocated to protect the eternal soul.
Religions that do not rely on a soul that survives after physical death rely on other rational methods to deal with the psychological angst out of the existential dilemma.

Therefore religions that do not believe in a soul that survives after physical death is potentially [note this] more positive than religions that do believe in a soul that survives after physical death.
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Old 10-23-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Continuum View Post
The above argument of the existence of a soul is based on the Quran.
It just presumed the soul exists without showing any proof.

Note:
It is impossible for God to exist.
Thus a Quran authored by an impossible god is impossible to be divine.
Thus the Quran was authored by human[s].
Thus whatever is asserted of the soul in the Quran is by humans.
Worst there is no proof to show there is a soul that survive after physical death.

Since the question of soul is ultimately from man, it has to be argued philosophically.
Philosophically it has been demonstrated a soul that survive physical death is an illusion.
Hume demonstrate the self [soul] is nothing than 'a bundle of perceptions' without unity or cohesive quality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume#The_self
Note there are many philosophy argument to prove a soul that survives physical death is merely an illusion.

What humans insist on a real soul that survives physical death is due to existential psychological desperations. In such desperations, they will insist God and soul are real when both are merely illusions.

Despite recognizing soul and god as illusions, humans would nevertheless live to the best of their effort to optimize one's life and contribute to the progress of humanity.


Several years ago, shortly before a close relative transitioned, two angel's visited my home and talked with the (light body-Psychic body), soul, as I witnessed it. I do not know what was said during the meeting with the two angel's as I could not hear the conversation. I have read that the soul is carried by the Psychic body (light body), so I can't really say what I saw is the soul, the soul being of a very high frequency, would make it difficult to see. I have also read that the Psychic body (light body) disintegrates in the Psychic world, after the death of the physical/material body; The soul continuing its journey into a higher heaven. I have witnessed the beginning of the disintegration of a Psychic body in the heavens.
Additionally, each of the angel's mentioned above, wore a hooded type garment; which, by the way, enabled me to see them clearly. Angels, and no God? How is this thing possible? Allaah, All Praise, Honour And Glory, Be To HIM, Is The Sovereign Owner of All, Everything that exists. You, Me, Angels, et cetera.



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Old 10-23-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.



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A concept of a soul that exists after physical death whilst is psychological comforting to the individual to deal with an existential dilemma can also be very negative to humanity's progress.
1. When the soul is conceived as a thing [abstract not concrete] that survived after physical death, the soul is conceived as a thing that is owned by the individual.

2. As a thing that is owned by the individual, it invoke a sense of possessiveness, clingingness, the desire to protect it, selfishness, etc.

3. As a result of possessiveness and selfishness there arise of sense of fear, anxieties, torture and sufferings if that thing is lost, thus it need protection.

4. To ensure protection, humans will do whatever it takes to protect it, i.e. even to the extent of murder if necessary and other acts of protection and prevention of loss.

5. As individual efforts are not strong enough, humans collectively organized into religions to protect the existence of their souls.

6. Some religions advocated evils and violent methods [as sanctioned by a God] to protect the soul or if there are threats.

7. Some believers interpret the evil laden verses loosely and unleash terrible evils and violence unto non-believers whom they are told are a threat to the existence of their souls.

The above demonstrate how a belief of a soul that exists after physical death can lead to terrible violence and evils are unleashed upon humanity. That it is happening now, in the past and will be in the future is glaringly evident.

What is worst when that belief is based merely on an illusion.

In contrast note religions that do not belief in a soul that survives after physical death.
Because there is no soul, there is no thing to be owned, cling to and need to be protected.
Thus there is no room for evils and violence at all to be advocated to protect the eternal soul.
Religions that do not rely on a soul that survives after physical death rely on other rational methods to deal with the psychological angst out of the existential dilemma.

Therefore religions that do not believe in a soul that survives after physical death is potentially [note this] more positive than religions that do believe in a soul that survives after physical death.

My understanding is, that the soul is given to an individual in order for that person to excel; to clear themselves. To protect themselves from the evil one, who is their natural enemy; that has declared war upon them. Shaitaan (Satan), has seduced man's sense (Light) of Reason, and you might say, Satan has access to man's soul to alter it. He (Satan), has caused the majority of the people of the earth, to deviate, or, become other than their actual self; devils, literally. Do you believe in the devil, evil?


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Old 10-24-2015, 07:19 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.


To be perfectly clear, the Soul contains the Life force. When the Soul leaves the physical/material body, the body does not have Life. Life can be returned by a "miracle." The Soul lives by Knowledge and Love.

Why would anyone allow Satan to gain control of their Soul, so that he may cover it with filth? This is what is taking place in the world today, with people who want to join the 'party animal' crowd.


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Old 10-24-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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Given how the question is phrased - it's an African-American genre of music with its roots in R&B that established itself in 1960s.
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Old 10-24-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.



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Given how the question is phrased - it's an African-American genre of music with its roots in R&B that established itself in 1960s.
I can still remember the 1960's, but never heard the term 'party animal' used in those times. It seems to be a recent reference. What I was trying to make light of is the excessive preoccupation with sensuality; all owing to the planning and work of the Satan, and his devils. Thanks for calling my attention to the possible misuse of a term. Wassalaam. devotee
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:25 AM
 
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Continuum
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The above argument of the existence of a soul is based on the Quran.
It just presumed the soul exists without showing any proof.
The Soul, is the Life in an individual. Do you have life? If so, is that not proof enough? If not, what other proof would you like?

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It is impossible for God to exist.
Your claim is: that God cannot be real; Is not an actual being. What evidence can you present for your claim?

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Thus a Quran authored by an impossible god is impossible to be divine.
This is an insensible statement. Please elaborate clearly.

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Thus the Quran was authored by human[s].
Your claim is: that the Qur'an has been forged. If you are a human, then it should be easy for you, to produce a Chapter like it.

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Thus whatever is asserted of the soul in the Quran is by humans. Worst there is no proof to show there is a soul that survive after physical death.
That cannot/should not, be a dilemma for a human that has laid claim to have written the book in the first instance!

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Since the question of soul is ultimately from man, it has to be argued philosophically.
O.K..


Quote:
Philosophically it has been demonstrated a soul that survive physical death is an illusion.
Hume demonstrate the self [soul] is nothing than 'a bundle of perceptions' without unity or cohesive quality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume#The_self
Note there are many philosophy argument to prove a soul that survives physical death is merely an illusion.
Does the soul that survives physical death know that it is an illusion?

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What humans insist on a real soul that survives physical death is due to existential psychological desperations. In such desperations, they will insist God and soul are real when both are merely illusions.
Gee Wiz!

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Despite recognizing soul and god as illusions, humans would nevertheless live to the best of their effort to optimize one's life and contribute to the progress of humanity.
I would consider that as the Ego's excellence. Now tell me, from where comes the Ego?


ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists
1. To have actual being; be real.
2. To have life; live: one of the worst actors that ever existed.
3. To live at a minimal level; subsist: barely enough income on which to exist.
4. To continue to be; persist: old customs that still exist in rural areas.
5. To be present under certain circumstances or in a specified place; occur:

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im·pos·si·ble (ĭm-pŏs′ə-bəl)
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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name Of Allaah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum The Peace Be Upon You.




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A concept of a soul that exists after physical death whilst is psychological comforting to the individual to deal with an existential dilemma can also be very negative to humanity's progress.
1. When the soul is conceived as a thing [abstract not concrete] that survived after physical death, the soul is conceived as a thing that is owned by the individual.
I can not conceive of owning an abstract that is an illusion, this thing is mind boggling. How did you even think of such?

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2. As a thing that is owned by the individual, it invoke a sense of possessiveness, clingingness, the desire to protect it, selfishness, etc.
Really? And it is thought of as an illusion too?

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3. As a result of possessiveness and selfishness there arise of sense of fear, anxieties, torture and sufferings if that thing is lost, thus it need protection.
Protect a hallucination? Shouldn't you see a physician?

Quote:
4. To ensure protection, humans will do whatever it takes to protect it, i.e. even to the extent of murder if necessary and other acts of protection and prevention of loss.

5. As individual efforts are not strong enough, humans collectively organized into religions to protect the existence of their souls.

6. Some religions advocated evils and violent methods [as sanctioned by a God] to protect the soul or if there are threats.

7. Some believers interpret the evil laden verses loosely and unleash terrible evils and violence unto non-believers whom they are told are a threat to the existence of their souls.

The above demonstrate how a belief of a soul that exists after physical death can lead to terrible violence and evils are unleashed upon humanity. That it is happening now, in the past and will be in the future is glaringly evident. What is worst when that belief is based merely on an illusion.
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In contrast note religions that do not belief in a soul that survives after physical death.
Because there is no soul, there is no thing to be owned, cling to and need to be protected.
That has always been a problem. Owning something that does not belong to the individual. All, everything that exists, belongs to Allaah, All Glory Be To HIM.

Quote:
Thus there is no room for evils and violence at all to be advocated to protect the eternal soul.
Religions that do not rely on a soul that survives after physical death rely on other rational methods to deal with the psychological angst out of the existential dilemma.

Therefore religions that do not believe in a soul that survives after physical death is potentially [note this] more positive than religions that do believe in a soul that survives after physical death.
With all due respect, you are of course entitled to your opinion.




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