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Old 10-29-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Pruzhany View Post
European/Western elites did this to South America and killed off 75% of the native population. Or have you not noticed that S America has a large amount of Whites, for the most part Christian and speaks Spanish. Europe deserves Islam in so many ways for the past 1000 years of atrocities it did to the world.
Europeans who live NOW deserve atrocities done by radical Muslims for what other Europeans did in South America many years ago? C'mon, now. Are you serious, Pruzhany? You're not usually talking stuff like that.

Will you at least make an exception for your fellow Jews? LOL.

 
Old 10-29-2015, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Europeans who live NOW deserve atrocities done by radical Muslims for what other Europeans did in South America many years ago? C'mon, now. Are you serious, Pruzhany? You're not usually talking stuff like that.

Will you at least make an exception for your fellow Jews? LOL.
European countries are doing similar things today by pumping Billions of under the table Euros into certain countries in order to get what they want. Europe does with money what the US does with troops.

As to Jews, there are certain hypocrite segments that are a minority that make life difficult for numerous Jews in the majority by their actions. I don't give all Jews a free pass on things they do which a few Jews in another forum can attest to plus one Muslim in that same forum.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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The people that Westerners consider "good" or "moderate" Muslims are not considered good Muslims by the tenets of the religion. It's a religion that was invented/used as a pretext for a warlord to conquer lands, pillage, plunder and rape. That is not a religion that is compatible with liberal Western values.
Don't you think that if Islam was invented then that would mean Christianity was invented as well? They are both cut from the same cloth.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 04:22 PM
 
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TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying

From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.
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Since ISLAM is at war with all other religions / peoples / governments, Muslims can LIE to Kafirs without violating their religious tenets.
You do realize that the first link you posted is a extremist anti Islamic website? That's the equivalent of going on the Stormfront website, finding information on African Americans and passing that along as "fact." If your going to post examples, please use a reputable website.

Second, everything you posted is from the Hadith. The Hadith (s) are not religious books that are considered to be completely reputable by Muslims. Most Muslim leaders freely admit that information in the different Hadiths may not be accurate. You need to quote the Koran if your talking about actual Islamic teachings. This also applies to all the other "facts" you posted about Islam following this post. If your going to trash a religion at least use accurate information. Otherwise, you come off as someone spreading misinformation just for the sake of spreading your agenda.

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Sixteen pages in and not one person has given me any reason why I should be anything other than adamantly opposed to increased Islamic immigration in to our nation and culture.
If your trying to limit immigration just based on the limiting the risk of terrorism then I agree with you. However, in practice it wouldn't be very effective in curbing terrorism. It would be impossible to limit Muslim immigration. The best you can do is create an outright immigration ban on certain countries. Remember, the September 11th terrorists didn't have long beards, with ethnic cloth and thick accents. So real terrorists aren't that easy to discover. Furthermore, Muslim terrorists don't have a specific narrow ethnic background.

So, even if an outright ban was created to stop immigration from certain countries; terrorists bent on attacking the US could easily bypass them. For example, many Muslims can easily pass for Hispanic. So all they literally have to do is create a new identity from a South/Central American country and they can get on US soil.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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I think it would benefit a lot of the folks here to befriend some Muslims, listen to them, and reflect a bit.
I've done a lot of reflecting and I still think it's insane to invite them in to our culture in large numbers. It's ironic too because we are inviting a culture based on violent intolerance in to the country in the name of tolerance.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:02 PM
 
Location: USA
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But it's not surprising. I am against all Abrahamic religions. Christianity is also a very negative influence and subjugated pagan Europeans in much the same way that Islam today threatens to eventually do. Christians destroyed so much of what we had, just as Muslims have destroyed various artefacts of pre-Muslim religious traditions in lands they occupy.

The main difference now between Christianity and Islam is the latter has far more fanatical followers. Christianity is thankfully declining in Europe and other Western nations.
Yep, To be replaced by the growing religion of Islam
 
Old 10-29-2015, 05:14 PM
 
Location: USA
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Europeans who live NOW deserve atrocities done by radical Muslims for what other Europeans did in South America many years ago? C'mon, now. Are you serious, Pruzhany? You're not usually talking stuff like that.

Will you at least make an exception for your fellow Jews? LOL.
Yeah, like South and Central America were so wonderful with Aztecs, Mayans and similar slaving torturing cultures were so nice

We live in a pretty cushy society today, more so than at any time and still people whine about how rough thy have it. Even our poorest welfare child has it better than 90% of the world.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Saw this recently and thought it was pretty good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMQjyRc7eiY
Easy to say when a Radical Imam isn't influencing you. Sorry but Muslims don't make good neighbors IMHO.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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There are about 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Ninety-nine point nine percent are good, decent people. Unfortunately, that leaves one tenth of one percent, or one and a half million, who are bloodthirsty, sociopathic terrorists. We can pretend that they do not exist, but that is worse by far than acknowledging the painful truth that Islam contains within it the motivation for a small but significant percentage of its followers to become murderers.
 
Old 10-29-2015, 08:06 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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Doesn't change anything.

For right wing people who paint others with a broad brush, yeah it does not change anything.
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