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Old 11-16-2015, 06:23 AM
 
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I've never read the Quran and don't intend to, but are there really verses in there that instruct muslims to kill non-muslims?

If so, how do peaceful, non-radical muslims interpret this?

 
Old 11-16-2015, 06:35 AM
 
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No. It doesn't.
 
Old 11-16-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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I've never read the Quran and don't intend to, but are there really verses in there that instruct muslims to kill non-muslims?

If so, how do peaceful, non-radical muslims interpret this?

Islam does ** NOT ** allow preemptive attacks on others, but it does allow to protect oneself if the attack is instigated by the enemy or the opponents.

In a combat situation ... wait, do you know what's a combat?

A combat is a war between two (armies) or soldiers of the opposite army, where the death of one ends in the victory of the other. So combat ends in death of one of the participants.

If a Muslim soldier is in a combat where he is going to be killed if he doesn't kill his enemy in a state of war, then yes, a Muslim soldier is allowed to protect his life.

It's just like any other army. What would an Army General say to his troops in a state of combat? "Bow down and let the enemy shoot you in the head?

So, rephrase your question and try to find the answer by yourself

"Will the General of a PEACEFUL army tell his troops to bow down and take the bullet in your head if you are ambushed and attacked by the enemy" ?
 
Old 11-16-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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There is a list of verses copied-pasted by many non-muslims that when taken out of context, seem like they endorse violence. But when context is considered, like the previous user mentioned all relate to wars and self-defense.

Below is a list of the verses mentioned and their refutations:

Debunking The Myth That The Quran Endorses Violence | Discover The Truth
 
Old 11-16-2015, 08:37 PM
 
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There are no DIRECT commands in the Quran that order Muslims to kill non-Muslims, BUT:

When taken in its whole context, the Quran with evil and violent verses [>55% of the 6,236 verses] it catalyze, spur and inspire SOME [note 'SOME' not all] Muslims who are evil prone to commit terrible evils and violence on non-Muslims. The proofs for the resultant of this claim is glaringly evident.

Among the 3000++ evil laden verses [of various degrees] of contempt and 'hatred' against non-Muslims there are more than 300++ verses related to fighting and killing non-Muslims in various contexts.

The leading verse is this, [mine]
22:39. Sanction [permission authorised] is given unto those [Muslims] who fight because they [Muslims] have been wronged [by infidels and hypocrites]; and Allah is indeed Able to give them [Muslims] victory;

'Wronged' as synonymous with 'corruption' 'mischief,' 'oppression', 'persecutions' 'hindering' as used in the Quran are very loose terms which can mean anything that is a threat to and offend Islam and Muslims.

If anyone is attacked it is obvious one has to defense oneself. So those verses that deal with self defense in the Quran are no issue. In fact the act of self defense is so obvious [common sense] it should not have been included in the Quran [as a religion and way of life] in the first place and to avoid it being abused.

What is critical and dangerous here with the Quran and its many evil and violent verses is the sanction of killing non-Muslims [even hypocritical Muslims] by Allah in the case of the religion being 'wronged' [and it various synonyms] where the term 'wronged' can be very vague and open to all sorts of interpretations by SOME evil prone Muslims.

Religion is a VERY sensitive matter [emotionally and psychologically] to any believer and thus the slightest trigger of unease can be construed as 'wronged' as a threat to one's religion, in this case Islam and the following examples;
1. This is how we get SOME Muslims killing non-Muslims over cartoons because they perceived it as threat to their religion.
2. The occupations of non-Muslims in a majority Muslims country is perceived as oppression thus an offense to the religion. This is why USA is perceived as the Greatest Satan to Muslims all over the world.
3. The very existence of non-Muslim religions and beliefs are also perceived as a threat to the religion [as inferred and implied in the Quran].
4. Many other examples
Another critical factor is there is no central authority to decide whose interpretation of the Quran [especially the ambiguous and sensitive verses] is right or wrong. Who can insists [other than God appearing] the jihadists interpretations are wrong? Answer: No human being on Earth can do that!

Another critical factor is the absolute quantum of sensitive evil prone Muslims who are likely to feast on the evils and violent laden elements [as sanction by Allah] that are in the Quran.
Naturally, [normal curve] there are approximately 20% of humans who are evil prone [of various degrees].
As such there is a pool of 300 million sensitive evil prone Muslims who are exposed and will be inspired by the evil and violent elements that are embedded in the Quran.
Again this fact support the reason why Islamic terror and evil is so prevalent since and up to the present moment.

The refutations in this link accused non-Muslims as cherry picking out of context.
Debunking The Myth That The Quran Endorses Violence | Discover The Truth
The real truth is the person who refute in the above is the one who do not take the whole of the Quran, Islam and human nature into context.

Regardless of how [good] Muslims refute and defend against evils and violence by SOME Muslims, the fact remain Islamic related violence and evil are a direct resultant of Islam-in-part as committed by SOME evil prone Muslims [not all].

So in the above sense [as qualified], yes, the Quran do inspire and induce SOME evil prone Muslims to kill non-Muslims.
 
Old 11-17-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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Why do muslim extremists yell "HALLA HACK BAR" before they open fire?
 
Old 11-17-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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Why do muslim extremists yell "HALLA HACK BAR" before they open fire?
What they are Hollering is "Allahu Akbah" it has several meanings the most common ones being "God is Great" "God is Greater" "God is the Greatest"

Even as a Muslim I can not comprehend why they would holler such, except to make it known they are Muslims.

Contrary to popular belief, that does not mean they are doing it in the "Name of Allah" that would be "Bismillah" or the full term of "Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem"

Good question, I also would like to know why.
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Old 11-17-2015, 05:30 PM
 
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Why do muslim extremists yell "HALLA HACK BAR" before they open fire?
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Good question, I also would like to know why.
The psychological basis is not much difference from "Heil Hitler", Stalin in Great, Mao is Great, Kim Jong-un is great and the likes.
This is idolization of a personality of either real or illusionary [God].
oops but Allah condemn idolatry.
 
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The above proud display of the Quran is evidence the Jihadists of ISIS are acting from the verses of the Quran, i.e. the core of Islam.
 
Old 11-17-2015, 09:26 PM
 
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The above proud display of the Quran is evidence the Jihadists of ISIS are acting from the verses of the Quran, i.e. the core of Islam.
Not necessarily. He could also be trying to intimidate Muslims that disagree with his views. Another possibility is he could be trying to demean Islam by associating the Qur'an with ISIS.



I believe if you ask a large number of Muslims you will find that the majority of us find that the Qur'an inspires peace, tolerance and tranquility, not violence.

even the "violent"ayyats when read with understanding of the Surah they occur in are to instill peace, not to justify or command violence.
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