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Old 12-24-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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True, Muslims must be more active in fighting against terror.
This is their responsibilities in the first place.
ISIS is not the only problem in Islam, history filled with stories like ISIS.
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Old 12-24-2015, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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True, Muslims must be more active in fighting against terror.
This is their responsibilities in the first place.
ISIS is not the only problem in Islam, history filled with stories like ISIS.
The problem not that we do not speak out against the terrorists, because we do speak out against them. The problem is the terrorist groups consider themselves to be the only Muslims and the rest of us kafirun.

Plus we have no way to identify a Terrorist until after they have committed an atrocity. A would be Terrorist is not going to identify themselves, as such, to the majority Muslim population.

We have no central religious hierarchy, Islam is basically between the individual and God(swt) alone with no clerical intermediaries. No person or group speaks for Islam, a persons actions are their own responsibility.

With that said even with what I just said, virtually every Muslim has taken action to stop the evil ones from committing crimes. there is no central agency that finances protest, demonstrations etc. Our actions have to be funded by our own resources and abilities.
Islam has no central funding, each Mosque is local and often financially supported by the Imam and his Families. Most Mosques in the US do not even have an Imam. The Mosque is simple a room in an individuals house and the oldest person present serves as Imam, actually the person present with the most knowledge is to serve as Imam,and that is nearly always the oldest person present.
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Old 12-24-2015, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Not-a-Theist
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True, Muslims must be more active in fighting against terror.
This is their responsibilities in the first place.
ISIS is not the only problem in Islam, history filled with stories like ISIS.
There is a problem for the majority of moderate Muslims to fight against terror.

3:151. We [Allah] shall cast terror into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve because they [infidels] ascribe unto Allah partners [idols and deities], for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their [infidels] habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong doers.

59:12 He it is Who hath caused those of the People of the Scripture who disbelieved to go forth from their homes unto the first exile. Ye deemed not that they would go forth, while they deemed that their strongholds would protect them from Allah. But Allah reached them from a place whereof they recked not, and cast terror in their hearts so that they ruined their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So learn a lesson, O ye who have eyes!
There are many other verses where Allah cast terror onto non-Muslims.
In the Hadiths there are many other statements that condone terror.
In the Reliance of the Traveller [ a Sunni Guide], it is recommend Muslims must cast terror at least twice a year to keep the kuffar in check and in a state of fear.


If the moderates insist those Muslims to desist from terror against the kuffar they are going against the words of Allah as in 3:151, i.e. cast terror into the hearts of the infidels [non-Muslims].
This is why we do not hear of much noise from the moderate Muslims. They will make some noise when Muslims went to the extreme and it become obvious to ignore.
In many other cases, the moderates would only dare to make small noises. If the jihadists throw the book [Quran relevant verses] the moderates will have no arguments to defend their pacifism or non-action.


Where Muslims fight against ISIS it is not based on Islamic ideology but their political survival, e.g. ISIS threaten to exterminate the Saudi royalty for good and replace the other Muslims governments and dictators.


Besides as Woodrow stated, there is no central authority in Islam to insist who is wrong or who is right.
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:09 AM
 
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Muslim nation never supporting terrorism but some so called countries in world spreading terrorism in muslim countries.
Afghanistan

Afghanistan became the hotbed of Islamic terror activities in the mid-1990s. With the radical Taliban government establishing control, several radical Islamic (mostly Sunni) terror organizations used Afghanistan as their training and operational base. Al Qaeda was the broad umbrella organization that recruited terrorists from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Central Asia and around the world, training them in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Some of the terrorist groups still operating in the region include Al Qaeda, Al-Jihad, Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, Islamic Group, Armed Islamic Group, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.
Iran

Iran has long been an active sponsor of Islamic terrorism, including accusations of it supporting subversive activities in Iraq. Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Ministry of Intelligence and Security were involved in the planning of and support for terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals. Several terrorist groups including Lebanese Hizballah, HAMAS, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, and Ahmad Jibril's PFLP-GC have been provided funding, safe haven, training, and weapons in Iran.

Iraq

Since the US led invasion of Iraq, the country has fallen into a violent spiral. The presence of US troops has attracted Islamic terrorists from the Middle-East and around the world. Al-Qaeda is believed to have established a toe-hold in the country along with various splinter groups. Some of the other terror organizations active in Iraq include Ansar al-Islam, Al-Faruq Brigades, Al-Mahdi Army, Iraqi Resistance Islamic Front (JAMI), Jamaat al-Tawhid wa'l-Jihad, Jaysh Muhammad and Kurdistan People’s Congress (KHK).

Pakistan

Pakistan has long been a staging ground and planning centre for Islamic terrorists operating in South Asia. After the launch of Operation Enduring Freedom, thousands of terrorists were either killed or driven out of Afghansistan, mostly finding refuge in Pakistan. Pakistan and its secret service (ISI) have also been accused of training and funding several terrorist groups operating in Indian Kashmir and the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. The links have long been clear, since the the terrorist groups based in Pakistan operate in plain sight and have a distinct Afghan and Indian focus. The massive leak of U.S. Intelligence data on the Wikileaks website further showed the complicity of the Pakistani state with terrorist groups, used to establish a (false) state of deniability. New York Times journalist Carlotta Gall has written a book that further delves into the Pakistani state's deep involvement with terrorism in Afghanistan. The former Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan and minister, Chris Alexander has made a similar assertion calling Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism.

Pakistani groups have been aligned with Al Qaeda, based in Pakistan and have been responsbile for numerous terrorist attacks in Afghanistan and have expanded their sights to Europe and North America. Some of these terror groups include Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Al Qaeda, Tehreek-e-Jaferia, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Al Badr, Harkat ul-Ansar, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi, Jamaat ul-Fuqra and Muslim United Army.

Syria

Even as Syria continues to reduce its presence in Lebanon, it also continues to fund and host Palestinian and possibly Iraqi terrorist organizations. HAMAS, the PIJ, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are some of the Islamic extremists that continue to operate from Syria. Syria has now become the hub of terror, where Islamic fundamentalist terrorists from Europe, Asia and the Middle-East are fighting the Assad regime to wrest control of the country.

Sudan

The African country of Sudan been a training hub and safe haven for members of several of the more violent international terrorist and radical Islamic groups of the last decade. Among the terror groups known to have operated from Sudan are Hezbollah (Party of God), Palestine Islamic Jihad, Abu Nidal Organization, HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) and several smaller Islamic insurgent groups operating regionally in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Uganda, and Tunisia spreading extremism and killing innocent people based on religion and as part of criminal activities.

Countries that sponsor and accept terrorist presence
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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With that said even with what I just said, virtually every Muslim has taken action to stop the evil ones from committing crimes.
In fact, over and over we find mosques and 'moderate'' Muslim organizations supporting terrorism.

One example is CAIR, The Council on American–Islamic Relations. (CAIR) is a Muslim advocacy group headquartered on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C.

Certainly not an organization that would sponsor terrorism or engage in terrorism, you would think, But....

Randall "Ismail" Royer, CAIR-National Civil Rights Coordinator & Communications Specialist was
*CONVICTED* and Sentenced To 20 Years In Federal Prison. He pled guilty to using and discharging a firearm during, and in relation to, a crime of violence and with carrying an explosive during commission of a felony... admitted helping four people gain entry to a terrorist training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group responsible for the 2008 Mumbai jihad massacres.
He committed Terrorist Crimes While Working For CAIR.
Pled guilty to using and discharging a firearm during, and in relation to, a crime of violence and with carrying an explosive during commission of a felony... admitted helping four people gain entry to a terrorist training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group responsible for the 2008 Mumbai jihad massacres.

Ghassan Elashi and Founder Of CAIR-Texas, Chairman of Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development
was *CONVICTED* and Sentenced To 65 Years In Federal Prison.
Committed Terrorist Crimes While Working For CAIR
Tried on 21 counts of conspiracy, money laundering and dealing in property of a terrorist. Found guilty on all 21 counts. CAIR's Ghassan Elashi and his fellow convicts tried to appeal their convictions to the Supreme Court and were DENIED.

Omar Ahmad, co-founder of CAIR, was captured on FBI surveillance tapes at Hamas meetings in the U.S.A. during 1993 explaining that the IAP could not, for political reasons, admit its support for Hamas, and then discussing how the Hamas agenda could be cloaked and advanced.

"Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide," ... "They kill themselves for Islam."
(Ahmad Praising Suicide Bombers)

Nihad Awad is Co-Founder and CAIR Executive Director says, "I am in support of the Hamas movement."

Mousa Abu Marzook is the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) Founder (Parent organization of the Council on American-Islamic Relations) and an Officially Designated Terrorist and Fugitive from Justice.
(IAP was found Liable for aiding and abetting Hamas in the murder of a 17-year-old American)
" ... probable cause exists that Abu Marzook knew of Hamas's plan to carry out violent, murderous attacks, that he selected the leadership and supplied the money to enable the attacks to take place, and that such attacks were, therefore, a foreseeable consequence of the conspiracy."
(Judge Kevin Duffy on Marzook)

Dawud Walid, Director of CAIR-Michigan, says: “Who Are Those Who Incurred The Wrath Of Allah?” ...
“They Are The Jews, They Are The Jews”

There's more, but this gives an idea of what CAIR is about. They are a bunch or terrorist supporters and trouble makers. I've been following them for years.

Over and over mosques are found teaching hate and terrorism.

"Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism Agent: ‘Vast Majority’ of US Mosques/Islamic Centers Part of ‘Jihadi Network’"

Breitbart News Daily: Fmr. FBI Counterterrorism Agent:

"King says terror threat coming from mosques, calls for better surveillance"

King says terror threat coming from mosques, calls for better surveillance | Fox News

"Italy declares war on underground mosques citing terrorist threat"
https://www.rt.com/news/323847-mosqu...ity-terrorism/

"Authorities ignore US mosques at center of Islamic terror attacks"
Authorities ignore US mosques at center of Islamic terror attacks | New York Post

"North Texas Mosque Shut Down For Funding Terrorism
A mosque located in Richardson, Texas, was named a co-conspirator in the biggest terrorism financing trial in United States history. The mosque, also known as Dallas Central Mosque, was set up from its development to fund the terrorist organization, Hamas, and terrorist activities."
If Anyone Tells You "Mosques Don't Fund Terrorism", Have Them Read This

NYPD designates mosques as terrorism organizations
NYPD designates mosques as terrorism organizations

"French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve called for the “dissolution” of radical mosques following last week’s terrorist attacks in Paris that killed 130 people. Belgium’s Prime Minister, Charles Michel threatened similar action in his country where the attacks were staged, the Daily Caller reported."
Some U.S. Mosques Are Radicalized Terror Mills | www.independentsentinel.com

I could go on and on.

This is what turns up over and over:

"Cleric denies ties to San Bernardino killers....The cleric acting as spokesman for the San Bernardino mosque where terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook worshipped claims he barely knew Farook and didn’t know his terrorist wife at all. "

BUT!!!!!

REVEALED: San Bernardino Terrorist’s Mosque Cleric Exchanged ​38​ Texts With Terrorist


Cleric denies ties to San Bernardino killers as phone records surface | New York Post

REVEALED: San Bernardino Terror Mosque Cleric Exchanged
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Old 01-04-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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Who cares about Scholars and books. Just my opinion and view, as I know that most Muslims are peace loving, good souls. And there are good and bad everywhere amongst all mankind. But the world is really getting sick of all this Islamic radical extremism wreaking havoc, death, rape, murder, beheadings, throwing people off roofs, enslaving women and children upon this world. Wouldn't it be nice if all Muslims were like the Sufi's? It is getting old, this savagery, and pure evil unleashed upon the world. The strife between Shia and Sunni, the hate that many Muslims have for Jews and for the west and for America. The eternal war, the never ending violence, the radicals in the religion,...the world is sick of it. Funny when I hear Muslims shouting Allah Akbar, right before they shoot an RPG, or blow up something, or in the midst of war. Does anyone really think God is listening to and blessing these murderous devils?? Does anyone think that these barbarians are going to heaven after killing or blowing up innocents? Does anyone think they are martyrs that are going to enter paradise after blowing up innocent children and women in the name of God??? How deceived, tricked, delusional, lost, and pathetic can men be?? Muslims always referring to the hereafter, as if they are the ones who have it all locked down, and figured out. Does any God really expect men to go around killing and maiming on his behalf, so that all on earth will bow down to him 5 times a day? Does God really care that much about puny humans who live for a few years? This jihad nonsense, pure nonsense, pure evil. The world is sick of radicalized Islam and all its hate, and violence, and madness. And any sick, twisted soul who supports them, is as equally as evil. Just my opinion and view. Where is the love? Calm the heck down, get a hobby. Stop the insanity. The God I know is a God of Love...
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:47 AM
 
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Draw your own conclusion....painful to watch these savages.


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